***Official 2010 F1 thread***

Christo said:
"certain FOTA members not present at the meeting"
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What :confused:


Europe's carmakers have joined Formula One's civil war by backing F1's teams in their battle with the sport's governing body over rules and funding.
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Acea's members include BMW, DAF Trucks, Daimler, Fiat, Ford of Europe, GM Europe, Jaguar Land Rover, MAN Nutzfahrzeuge, Porsche, PSA Peugeot Citroen, Renault, Scania, Toyota Motor Europe, Volvo and Volkswagen.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8098234.stm
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Oh, no; please don't say that we will not be seeing DAF Trucks, MAN Nutzfahrzeuge and Scania in F1 next year :eek:
 
stockhausen said:
What :confused:
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“The FIA believed it had participated in a very constructive meeting with a large measure of agreement. It was therefore astonished to learn that certain FOTA members not present at the meeting have falsely claimed that nothing was agreed and that the meeting had been a waste of time. There is clearly an element in FOTA which is determined to prevent any agreement being reached regardless of the damage this may cause to the sport.”

You implied Ross Brawn and Domenicali. From the above statement its likely that it isnt anyone from the teams present at that meeting.
 
AcidHell2 said:
because they created f1, hold all the rights to everything. Including circuits, tv and everything else. if their is a break away series (which I doubt will happen) You can bet 90+% of those circuits are tied into some contractual agreement not to let them race their. Max & bernie are not stupid and they love their contracts.
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Exactly what I was meaning - HIGHLY unlikely the same tracks would be able to host both "formula 1's" if breakaway does happen (and I would be disappointed that Williams wasnt in the main one also, one of THE great names in recent f1 imo)

Im not disputing that there are other great tracks - Im just saying it wouldnt be the same at all imo
 
Christo said:
You implied Ross Brawn and Domenicali. From the above statement its likely that it isnt anyone from the teams present at that meeting.
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No, I didn't; I wondered whether it could be that late great admirer of Max Mosley, Ron Dennis
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Clearly, it can't be Stefano Domenicali of Ferrari who would seem to be the obvious suspect, nor can it be Ross Brawn; no way could it be Ron Dennis, surely? :eek:
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"Send three and fourpence; we're going to a dance."
 
By the time the breakaway series had agreed on a new set of rules they all agree on, existing race contracts for circuits will be over we will probably be driving cars that run on water.
 
The war continues:

Teams hit out at Donnelly

Eight teams have written to the FIA claiming that Max Mosley's 'right-hand man', Alan Donnelly, be removed as chairman of the stewards.

The teams claim that his role as chairman of the stewards and his other role as official representative of the President of the FIA, represents a conflict of interest.

The Guardian reports that in a letter to the FIA, the teams write: "It was apparent during the Turkish grand prix that several discussions were held between the aforementioned person and several formula one team representatives with a clear intention to create division between the Formula One Teams' Association teams by misrepresenting the positions of these teams.

"This situation raises serious doubts on the autonomy of the judicial functions from the executive functions of the FIA. It is imperative the chairman of the stewards remains totally impartial and we therefore respectfully request these roles are separated. We trust you will act appropriately."

The FIA has rejected the claim, however, the eight teams remain defiant, and if anyone is attempting to divide the teams' alliance it appears to be having the opposite effect.

Donnelly, one of several members of Mosley's team to join the sport's governing body from the murky world of politics, indeed, the even murkier world of the Labour Party, is a former Labour MEP for Tyne and Wear, who in 1997 became leader of the European Parliamentary Party. In 1999 he resigned following an investigation by the Sunday Times. Although the investigation related to expenses there was concern at his involvement (as director) of Sovereign Strategy, a business consultancy employed to provide lobbying and representative services for the FIA.

There are some who believe that Donnelly is being groomed as Max' successor.
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Seems like the FIA are as inept at splitting the teams up as McLaren are at not getting caught cheating....
 
FIA rejects FOTA's financial proposal
The FIA says it will press ahead with its planned £40m budget cap in Formula 1 next year after rejecting alternative cost-cutting proposals put to it by the Formula One Teams’ Association
FIA 'surprised' by carmakers' hostility
The FIA has expressed surprise at the hostility to the way it is running Formula 1 from the European Automobile Manufacturers’ Association (ACEA) – insisting its cost-cutting agenda chimes with the needs of Europe’s recession-battered car industry.
FIA: FOTA faction is sabotaging deal
The FIA has accused a hardline faction within the Formula One Teams’ Association of deliberately preventing a resolution to the row over rules and governance that has engulfed F1.
 
I was hoping that discussions would happen and this would be being sorted out now after all they still managed to dominate motor sport news despite Le Mans being on!

As it is I think FOTA are trying to play hard ball by saying here are our plans but we cannot discuss your plans to come up with a solution. At least the FIA are or were already aiming for a compromise and negotiation situation. Lets see what happens in the next scheduled meeting as there are still three days to go.

I hope what we end up with is still a unified series with a suitable budget cap and cost reduction scheme coming in over the next few seasons. £40m is to little and I think it was just the FIA trying to scare the teams into action as the teams are really the best people to come up with cost saving schemes for racing and development as they do the work themselves. Possibly one other thing the teams will gain out of the mess is a rethink on who and how the FIA F1 run for the future!

I still believe a FOTA series would no be successful long term due to the same cost problems being an issue for existing teams and ones wanting to join and of course the teams that get on so well anyway.
 
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The FIA and FOTA - according to the FIA
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=38194

I just read that is is an actual FIA statement. F1 could be doomed!
This is an interesting article/news piece that goes through the whole FIA/FOTA 2010 problem. Ok it is reported by the FIA and quite biased their way especially towards the end but it still states the facts (I'm sure the FIA would not risk libel cases with its racing teams) and some of the items FOTA wants.

Scariest bit for me was the meeting about the cost reduction objectives on how they were very close and an agreement was reached with just had details to decide on. Then the next day a FOTA press release saying no progress had been made. FOTA seem to be trying to delay things for some reason, maybe to strengthen their position or the position of their new series while potentially not letting the FIA get their new teams signed up in good time.

One of the most interesting bits seems to be that not all FOTA teams agree with each other and that some were happy with progress. Maybe we will see a breakup of FOTA before the end of this all. Some FOTA teams undermining everything so they can leave as F1 collapses and is no longer viable rather than because they were not successful or ran out of money?

The FIA are on a sustainable path with the reduced costs ideally through a budget cap of some description. As they point out manufacturers come and go and that the only new team in F1 recently (SuperAguri) could not survive even with manufacturer help. To safeguard the sport they have to make it workable for independent teams but unfortunately for the FIA that is the last thing the manufacturers would want.

I look forward to seeing a FOTA and FIA - by FOTA article to see what they say!
 
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I wonder when we'll see Brawn walk away from FOTA? Thursday evening I reckon.

Remember they were quite welcoming of the budget cap and the way they are performing this year, would they really walk away from F1?
 
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