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Soldato
That's what put me off completely.
I think I'll stick to using the live timing for free on the site for now.
£5 per race, no thanks!!! I thought it was £5 for the app and then you could just tune into the races, complete rip off for £5 per race!
However, he said that Cosworth would be allowed to run to 2006 regulations because it had "neither the time nor the resources to return for 2010."
Surely that has HUGE implications? Wasnt 2006 unrestricted V10's which would blast even the best present McLaren / Ferrari / Renault off the grid?
Or is MM suggesting ALL engines go back to 2006 regs - which I cant see as that would be a massive investment for all teams, surely it doesnt make sense at all?
Soldato
It would be impossible for them to run V10s as the current standard electronics only support V8s. Anyway didn't they win whatever the standard engine tender was, which fundamentally was a V8 based on the current frozen regs.
2006 was a V8 season and Cosworth definitely had them in the back of the Williams. The 2006 thing is probably to do with making the engine reliable to only use 8 engines for the season as Cosworth probably have not done any work since 2006. Performance should still be the same as current engines?
I'd expect perhaps that Lola could have sold their designs/assistance etc. to one of the new teams to help them get going?
I'd expect perhaps that Lola could have sold their designs/assistance etc. to one of the new teams to help them get going?
From the oh so reliable Wikipedia
also: http://www.newsonf1.com/f1regs/2007enginehomologation.htm
I can see how the FIA is helping the new teams and Cosworth to initially save some money and time by using an engine not developed since 2006. However Cosworth should be able to develop this existing engine last as long as the other manufacturers. I reckon though that the Cossie engine will not make as much power as the "undeveloped" manufacturer engines!
It does seem they will let it rev as much as they like:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_One_engines#2006
also: http://www.newsonf1.com/f1regs/2007enginehomologation.htm
I can see how the FIA is helping the new teams and Cosworth to initially save some money and time by using an engine not developed since 2006. However Cosworth should be able to develop this existing engine last as long as the other manufacturers. I reckon though that the Cossie engine will not make as much power as the "undeveloped" manufacturer engines!
It does seem they will let it rev as much as they like:
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Soldato
They didn't actually get around to signing an agreement on the tier thing though did they? Just like the 100mil budget for next year. Iirc they had both solely been agreed by word of mouth?
(I may be completely wrong
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(I may be completely wrong
)For cost capped teams only remember!
Will a cost capped team who is able to move wings and maybe have a bit more power be able to beat a £100m spending team? Is the 20k rpm Cosworth engine likely to have more power than a developed for reliability manufacturer engine?
Refuelling is banned, as are tyre warmers both of which are more of a concern to me! Cars will be fatter and overtaking in the pits more difficult if the pitstops only last 3 seconds, processional racing here we go. Tyre warmers are a safety thing I believe?
I suspect all of this is a bit up in the air at the moment with the discussions. F1 should have all teams playing by the same rules.
Will a cost capped team who is able to move wings and maybe have a bit more power be able to beat a £100m spending team? Is the 20k rpm Cosworth engine likely to have more power than a developed for reliability manufacturer engine?
Refuelling is banned, as are tyre warmers both of which are more of a concern to me! Cars will be fatter and overtaking in the pits more difficult if the pitstops only last 3 seconds, processional racing here we go. Tyre warmers are a safety thing I believe?
I suspect all of this is a bit up in the air at the moment with the discussions. F1 should have all teams playing by the same rules.
Soldato
Because Mosley is making this up as he goes along.
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What we know from this is that Williams & Force India have accepted the conditions laid down by the FIA.
Max Mosley is now trying to drive a wedge between Brawn GP, McLaren , BMW Sauber, Renault and Toyota on the one side and Ferrari, Red Bull & Toro Rosso on the other in order to get all the teams to accept his terms. He managed to do this in the past by persuading just Ferrari to break ranks.
Somehow, I can't see the teams maintaining a united front although I can see the appeal to the manufacturers of a new formula under their control . . . eventually.
Soldato
Because the actual limit will be a round number in Euros which then has to be converted into £ then rounded again in order for people in the UK to understand. Inevitably there'll be some rounding error in this process.
So how will a budget cap across-countries work?
For instance USF1 can do more development with 45mil euro than say McLaren can due to local markets / economic conditions / pay rates and so on.
Soldato
A budget cap won't work, across countries or otherwise.
F1 will essentially become a contest to see who can get the best accountants in order to hide how much money the teams are actually spending on things.
F1 will essentially become a contest to see who can get the best accountants in order to hide how much money the teams are actually spending on things.
it wont.