Look forward to this happening regularly, Button can barely beat the eldest guy on the grid I doubt Rosberg will have any problems beating JB. Will probably be as easy as Kimi beating Badoer
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And they'd already fallen out by round 2 in '89. Remember, Prost announced his move to Ferrari at the Italian GP, handing his race-winning trophy to the tifosi. Ron proceeded to freak out, and hurl the winning constructor trophy at Prost's feet. D'you not think that maybe Ron's decision to let Alonso leave was motivated by not wanting to see his drivers end up taking each other off the road throughout the 2008 season, allowing another championship to head to Maranello?
F1 is a team sport. If you don't have a team, you're going to struggle. And McLaren, by the end of 2007, wasn't a team - it was a warzone. Some conflict is necessary I guess, in order to get your drivers fired up and ready to pull out all the stops. But open warfare?
When was the last time that having the two best drivers in the field driving for the same team with equal status actually worked? I suppose you could count '88, but the McLaren was so far ahead of the field that year anyway that it pretty much couldn't not work.
Why?
They won't need to totally redesign the car for Alonso, though Alonso will have greater input with the future direction the car develops. Remember, if you are hiring Alonso, you expect him to get the most out of the car, without any changes. He did this at Renault, moved to McLaren (new team, new car) and was immediately challenging for the title. He then moved back to Renault and was immediately (much) faster than his teammates.
If you hire Alonso or Hamilton, then you should have higher expectations, otherwise you would've stuck with Kimi or hired a lesser driver. As such the salary paid to the Alonso/Hamilton would logically be higher.
Hehehe. I'm glad someone agrees with what Alonso said - while he was at McLaren, that he should've received preferential treatment over the rookie.
What you say is correct -the more experienced driver is usually given preferential treatment, but it should be very interesting to see how Rosberg adapts. If Rosberg believes in his ability, then he will have to beat Button at his own game and perhaps alter his driving style slightly.
Well, it was highly unlikely that Brawn would come out and state, "I'm surprised how crap JB is. I am genuinely dissapointed."
The job of a manger/boss is to boost the confidence of his employees (note R.Denis in 2007 did not do this) and as such get the most out of them. Telling an employee that they are crap (when they are performing poorly - which Button has during the latter half of this season), would be just plain wrong.
JB was fantastic in the first half of the season. There is no doubt about it. The problem seems to be the fact that Button can't adapt to changes in his car performance. So, when his car is performing really well, he does very well. When the car begins to go off, he seems lose serious amounts of performance, where his team-mate is able to manage a car which is performing less than well.
Button has also shown that he is massively susceptible to pressure.
Awww. You have too much faith in Button. Lets just wait and see. I don't rate Rosberg too highly and the same goes for Button, so I think it should be a very close battle from mid season onwards (after Rosberg has used the first half of the season to adjust to the new car/team).
...I doubt Rosberg will have any problems beating JB. Will probably be as easy as Kimi beating Badoer
I gotta say that that statement made me laugh. Type_R must really dislike Button to an extent that he would compare Button to Badoer. Surely, thats one of the worst insults that an F1 driver could receive?
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It just goes to show what the brilliant rookie might have achieved in his 1st year in F1 if Ron Dennis had gone against his long held principles, followed his gut instinct and given Hamilton the #1 status he clearly justified...
Hehehe. I'm glad someone agrees with what Alonso said - while he was at McLaren, that he should've received preferential treatment over the rookie.
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Its all about man management. Ron Denis wasnt even attempting to speak to Alonso. He was behaving like a teenager having a strop which seemed to last many months. How can anyone argue a case for R.Denis when he made no attempt to manage the situation? He gave up at the first sign of trouble, where in 1988/9, he didn't give up so easily.
Again, this is all part of man management. Man management was non-existent after the Hungarian GP qualifying.
In other professions, there are occassions when certain employees dont get along or misbehave. It doesnt mean that you sack them or give them the silent treatment. This is childish and unprofessional.
This is unfair. Over the last 20 years, the 2 best drivers have only ever come together for 3 years - 1988, 1989 and 2007. If they came together more often, then would could establish a trend.
Because Massa, nor Kimi seemed to be having any major problems driving the car. The problems were experienced by Badoer, who in his prime was bad and in 2009 was terrible - quite possibly the slowest driver ever to have driven a Ferrari in race. Fisichella is too used to driving the Force India. Some drivers adapt, others dont. A top line driver will adapt, otherwise he wouldnt be a top driver.
It just goes to show what the brilliant rookie might have achieved in his 1st year in F1 if Ron Dennis had gone against his long held principles, followed his gut instinct and given Hamilton the #1 status he clearly justified
Both McLaren drivers finished 1 point from the title. So, in hindsight, it would be fair to say that had McLaren favoured Alonso or Hamilton, with 2-3 races remaining, the WDC would've gone to McLaren.
Seems almost certain that Barrichello and Rosberg will swap.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79043
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79043
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What a giggle it would be if Button won the WDC, couldn't agree a deal with Brawn GP who then decided to retain Barrichello, leaving Button without a seat for next year; oh how we would laugh
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. . . meanwhile . . .
That could be interesting . . . for everyone except Giancarlo Fisichella
What a giggle it would be if Button won the WDC, couldn't agree a deal with Brawn GP who then decided to retain Barrichello, leaving Button without a seat for next year; oh how we would laugh
Its happened before - with Hill / Williams, and Im sure it will happen again
Not good for the sport if the WDC isnt able to defend his title imo (look at McLaren / Hamilton at the beginning of this season
And Mansell before Hill.
No, it wouldn't be good. But that's alright, let stockhausen et al have their schadenfreude....
However much money McLaren spent on developing Hamilton - I very much doubt in the first winter before his rookie season he would be able to develop a car to a reasonable degree , so its pretty likely that Alonso would get the nod in this regard imo
Renault has one season without Alonso after a number of years with him (and even then it was obvious before the end of the season Alonso would be leaving McLaren ) so it was still likely to be a heavily biased car towards Alonso once he got back - sure if he spent years away and came back a lot of things might have changed , but I very much doubt in the limited time difference in this case that would have been workable from Renaults point of view, he probably got back in practically the same car he left less than 12 months prior
(Alonso would slaughter most team mates anyway, let alone the rookies Renault wanted to team him up with in a car favoured to Alonso in the 1st place)
Very good at twisting words arent you lol
Brawn didnt need to say anything - his driver was winning and winning well, he still chose to hire him for his own team when he didnt have to - and it was only when the team chose to change componants to favour Rubens that Jenson started to have issues (and even once he got used to the new set up he is able to keep in touch with a team-mate that the changes where made for)
I dont believe it has been proven - the car had serious problems in Britain and Germany, and this is also where componants changed to assist Rubens and his braking style , the only bad race from JB was Valencia coming in 7th when Rubens won (or gifted by McLaren)
Yes on a number of occasions he hasnt qualified well, but very rarely has he raced badly (and notably on a number of occasions Brawn has come out and explained the issues with the car that didnt favour JB's style - usually temp related)
I personally like him as a driver and think he gets too much stick from some people on here when it isnt always justified. I liked his style since he was at Williams. Hopefully the car is good enough next year in comparison to the established front teams (and Brawn dont do a BMW
)Oopppss how did I forget that
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What a giggle it would be if Button won the WDC, couldn't agree a deal with Brawn GP who then decided to retain Barrichello, leaving Button without a seat for next year; oh how we would laugh
I somehow doubt that with 3 or 4 new teams entering next season and most of the field up for grabs seat wise
Toyota still uncertain next year - http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=39170
Although losing another manufacturer isn't good, they have actually done much with their redicouls budget over the last few years.
Although losing another manufacturer isn't good, they have actually done much with their redicouls budget over the last few years.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8280566.stm
Worst kept secret in F1 is official now at last!
edit: Ah fiddlesticks, beaten to it
Worst kept secret in F1 is official now at last!
edit: Ah fiddlesticks, beaten to it
Breaking: Ferrari confirm Alonso deal
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8280566.stm
edit: double damn it
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8280566.stm
edit: double damn it
