***Official 2010 F1 thread***

Duke said:
Czech Republic want to host an F1 street race in Prague. Sounds great so far, but guess who they are drafting in to sort it? :(

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80144

Oh well
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I've a feeling Kimi just wants to sit on the money. He says he won't compromise on his money and with what ferrari are paying him not to race I can't see Mclaren paying him enough to be a No2.
 
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Hopefully just posturing

It would make no sense to move away from the probable new Merc team, however good McLAren are in their own respect (and whatever his car says he will still be No2 at McLAren)
 
If he wants a car to win the title next year he has to go to mclaren. Brawn will be lucky to win a race next year. I reckon he has to take the mclaren car, he has a title, his dreams are fullfilled, better to try his luck in a great team than hope Brawn gets it right with the limited resources.

Chances are he wouldn't beat lewis in lewis team but it's better than qualifying 8th and finishing 7th.

Mclaren have the developement numbers and money now, Brawn might have the money coming but it will probably be too late for this season.
 
dannyjo22 said:
If he wants a car to win the title next year he has to go to mclaren. Brawn will be lucky to win a race next year. I reckon he has to take the mclaren car, he has a title, his dreams are fullfilled, better to try his luck in a great team than hope Brawn gets it right with the limited resources.

Chances are he wouldn't beat lewis in lewis team but it's better than qualifying 8th and finishing 7th.

Mclaren have the developement numbers and money now, Brawn might have the money coming but it will probably be too late for this season.
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they managed this year with more to do over the winter - and they have definitive advances in this years car even before really doing anything

I dont believe McLaren is automatically ahead as you claim, and given that the Brawn was very close to Red Bull at the last race, there is no reason at all to believe Brawn cant win next season also (races not necessarily the title)


Not only that but it would be pointless going to McLaren with Lewis there , any other driver will be lucky to get a fair rub of the green, highly unlikely to be able to challange for wins unless Lewis makes a mistake and it would be doubly pointless going as Champion (after all at the very leasst the Champ should be undisputed No1 in the team)
 
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Lopéz said:
People said Brawn didn't stand a chance of winning anything this season, it was all about Ferrari vs McLaren.....

Anything can happen in Formula 1, and it usually does.
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Huge difference between the developement cycle of this years brawn to next years. Huge difference in personel, money and time.

The facts remain when the chips were down and it was Red Bull v Mclaren v Brawn Brawn couldn't compete with developement with the resourses they have.

Its seems pretty obvious Jenson knows this as well. I think Jenson is extremely lucky they banned testing this year because when you look how easily the big teams caught and passed them without it they wouldn't have stood a chance with it.

Frank I'm not saying mclaren will be automatically ahead, I'm saying if they are not they are far better prepared to catch up. Unless Brawn build a car thats P1 in the first race they will spend the season treading water.
 
dannyjo22 said:
Huge difference between the developement cycle of this years brawn to next years. Huge difference in personel, money and time.
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Totally correct, but in the opposite sense to how you mean

There are a lot fewer changes required for next year's car, and without the worries of the team going under its going to be a much easier time at Brawn than when they developed the Championship winning car of 09

dannyjo22 said:
The facts remain when the chips were down and it was Red Bull v Mclaren v Brawn Brawn couldn't compete with developement with the resourses they have.
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Brawn chose not to (apart from what they couldnt do anyway on the 09 car, due to gearbox etc) - Brawn CHOSE to only use two days of windtunnel time on the 9 car so the '10 was fully developed

Brawn himself has since said they turned onto 10 from Turkey onwards, so your statement is pretty meaningless imo

dannyjo22 said:
Its seems pretty obvious Jenson knows this as well. I think Jenson is extremely lucky they banned testing this year because when you look how easily the big teams caught and passed them without it they wouldn't have stood a chance with it.

Frank I'm not saying mclaren will be automatically ahead, I'm saying if they are not they are far better prepared to catch up. Unless Brawn build a car thats P1 in the first race they will spend the season treading water.
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Brawn chose not to develop the current car for FOUR MONTHS of the season, what dont you get about this?(its not like Brawn have made any secret about this)

Not only that but now the 10 car can be designed around the merc unit /gearbox they will be able to develope different areas of the car more easily than in 09 - something McLaren or Red Bull arent able to (as they havent had any significant change)

Danny - Im pretty stunned at how you are completely dismissing one of the most talented F1 engineers in the last 15 - 20 years seemingly out of hand, remember he saw the double diffuser possibilities before anyone else (raising it in the joint tech meetings to govern the 09 rules)

Of course McLaren can always bounce back, it would be pretty stunning with all their personell and experience if they couldnt, there is no reason at all to believe Brawn cant though (although it may take longer)

Not only that there is also the fact that in every race when Button has been on heavy fuel he has made the most out of the car with few issues, he makes the tyres last and is a lot smoother driver than a lot of the other front line peddlers around - all these will be of particular use from next season, whether its Lewis or the Mclaren - but this certainly CANT be said about that combo, Massa doesnt seem to do as well unless he is out front and anyone's guess as to how Alonso will start at Ferrari - so really Red Bull are the big question mark in regards to heavy fuel loads (after they sorted out their seemingly disasterous tyre eating issues at Monaco)
 
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FrankJH said:
Brawn chose not to (apart from what they couldnt do anyway on the 09 car, due to gearbox etc) - Brawn CHOSE to only use two days of windtunnel time on the 9 car so the '10 was fully developed
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The point was that Brawn HAD to make a decision to shift major focus to the 2010 car. dannyjo22 said that Brawn didn't have the resources to compete with the bigger teams hence forcing them to choose between current car and 2010 car. Other teams could split development easier as they had more resources.
 
tonyyeb said:
The point was that Brawn HAD to make a decision to shift major focus to the 2010 car. dannyjo22 said that Brawn didn't have the resources to compete with the bigger teams hence forcing them to choose between current car and 2010 car. Other teams could split development easier as they had more resources.
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Except we have seen (case in point - Ferrari and McLaren 2008/2009) that having a big budget and being a "big" team does not mean you will be able to split resources and develop next year's car to be a winner out of the box.
 
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