Poll: Official 2023 Miami Grand Prix Race Thread - Miami International Autodrome, Miami - Race 5/23

[booyaka]

Not sure how Youtube/F1 have stretched the "highlights" to 8 minutes....

Vote 2/10 for me - Terrible track, just a cash cow for F1, "racing" was poor, RB's not even being challenged at the moment.

Only thing that will prevent them from winning ever race this season is mechanicals or crashing into each other.

 

[mid_gen]

Why diddnt the fia just kept to the same cars and reg as pre 2021? We just had a epic close battle between two teams and now they have basically reset and made it a one team one driver show..

Because although it was a competive season, the 'racing' was still dull as dishwater because the cars and too big and too reliant on clean air to allow them to actually pass each other without DRS.

They made the teams rework the cars to be less reliant on clean air (reduced wing etc).....and the team who have for a very long time been kings of aero development have strolled off into the distance while the rest of the field catches up.....and we still have DRS.

Hopefully DRS will be gone in a few years, but until then, F1 is going to be dismal.

 

[ChrisD.]

Not sure what was the worst, the introduction, the race, or the coronation concert. Actually, that's easy, the introduction. Oh dear.

 

[godinman]

Not sure what was the worst, the introduction, the race, or the coronation concert. Actually, that's easy, the introduction. Oh dear.

The cringe is real. Shame you can't see dislikes on YouTube now, 173k views, 4.9k likes, the dislikes must be hitting 100k I bet.

 

[uscool]

Most seem to only care about one thing. Lewis beating Max.

not really, I loved early on last season when charles and max battled , only person that can now battle him is perez but he cant do it consistently for some reason

 

[Jono8]

Hasn't aged well. Perez might still have some legs on him, we'll see, but it was obvious no-one in the rest of field was going to be anything like near the pace of Max.

Yeh, I got that completely wrong.

I genuinely didn't think Max would be that fast on the hard tyre. I also didn't realise DRS was worth over a second a lap here so Max actually had somewhat of an advantage going through the field as the car breezed past everyone easily.

 

[cuke2u]

Because although it was a competive season, the 'racing' was still dull as dishwater because the cars and too big and too reliant on clean air to allow them to actually pass each other without DRS.

They made the teams rework the cars to be less reliant on clean air (reduced wing etc).....and the team who have for a very long time been kings of aero development have strolled off into the distance while the rest of the field catches up.....and we still have DRS.

Hopefully DRS will be gone in a few years, but until then, F1 is going to be dismal.

But the races were extremely dull before drs with long trains of cars stuck behind each other. I clearly James Hunt stating the Trulli train in several races. Getting rid of drs is not the solution because it has worked and the fans wanted a solution at that time. Unfortunately though some, it seems, forget, or weren't around, pre drs and how bad those races were also..

 

[Jono8]

I didn't think the race was too bad. Very average, and would have been awful if the grid order wasn't a bit mixed up.

Red Bull straight line speed is obviously absurd, especially with DRS. The speed difference when Max went past Mag and Leclerc at the same time was hilarious.

There didn't seem to be much speed difference between the medium and hard which made things less interesting.

Merc straight line speed is absolutely awful. Can't believe it took Lewis so long to get past Albon etc. It is hampering their results massively as they just get stuck for ages and lose loads of time.

In the race, the Merc actually isn't too bad. If anything over the last few races, the Merc has looked like the faster car over the Ferrari in the race. Or maybe George and Lewis are just really good on race day. I don't know. Do the Ferraris have some sort of mega party mode for the engine in qualifying or something?

 

[Mr Jack]

But the races were extremely dull before drs with long trains of cars stuck behind each other. I clearly James Hunt stating the Trulli train in several races. Getting rid of drs is not the solution because it has worked and the fans wanted a solution at that time. Unfortunately though some, it seems, forget, or weren't around, pre drs and how bad those races were also..

The Trulli Train was a problem, but so is DRS. DRS overtakes are, nearly always, boring; and they skew the balance between attack and defence strongly in favour of the attacker. Instead of getting not enough excellent overtaking, we get a lot of dull overtaking; instead of getting some awesome defensive drives and a lot of dull Trulli Trains, we get faster drivers scything easily through the field and making quali mistakes next to meaningless.

So DRS hasn't worked; it's substituted one problem for another and robbed the sport of one of its most interesting aspects along the way. But because it is there and the sport can point at all the overtakes, there has been far less drive and attention on actually fixing the real problem.

 

[Jono8]

I thought I would enjoy seeing Mercedes not win week in, week out. This is actually hideously poor racing. The track is dog poo as well. We have Spain and Monaco coming up which doesn't exactly scream excitement either.

All the new regs have done is swapped Merc with Red Bull.

 

[ChrisD.]

All the new regs have done is swapped Merc with Red Bull.

Not really, Merc and Red Bull were pretty much on par with each other before the cars changed.

 

[cuke2u]

The Trulli Train was a problem, but so is DRS. DRS overtakes are, nearly always, boring; and they skew the balance between attack and defence strongly in favour of the attacker. Instead of getting not enough excellent overtaking, we get a lot of dull overtaking; instead of getting some awesome defensive drives and a lot of dull Trulli Trains, we get faster drivers scything easily through the field and making quali mistakes next to meaningless.

So DRS hasn't worked; it's substituted one problem for another and robbed the sport of one of its most interesting aspects along the way. But because it is there and the sport can point at all the overtakes, there has been far less drive and attention on actually fixing the real problem.

It isn't as simple as getting rid of drs on it's own, period. The current aerodynamic regulations allow the cars to follow each other more closely and all the teams are setting their cars up to enable slipstreaming within 1 sec without burning up the tyres too much, as would have happened in the past. There needs more of a holistic approach to a solution if we do have more races like this..

 

[Mr Jack]

It isn't as simple as getting rid of drs on it's own, period. The current aerodynamic regulations allow the cars to follow each other more closely and all the teams are setting their cars up to enable slipstreaming within 1 sec without burning up the tyres too much, as would have happened in the past. There needs more of a holistic approach to a solution if we do have more races like this..

I mean, I certainly agree. But getting rid of DRS - or at least radically toning it down - would be a good start.

 

[Jono8]

Not really, Merc and Red Bull were pretty much on par with each other before the cars changed.

Well, yeh, I mean in terms of the start of the previous regs.

This is what frustrates me about new regs, because one team often nails them and is too dominant for a while.

 

[cuke2u]

Mr Jack:
I think there'd be nearly zero overtaking then, as it was in the past.
Other teams just need to do a better job and take a leaf out of RB. Or is it just the RB cars that is the issue here that some are complaining about?

 

[ChrisD.]

Well, yeh, I mean in terms of the start of the previous regs.

This is what frustrates me about new regs, because one team often nails them and is too dominant for a while.

Ah, fair, yeah Marc were very quick in 2014 or whenever it was.

This season is boring, I'm fed up of Sky prices as it is, Football is boring me, not sure I'm going to bother watching any more tbh, and I'm been watching F1 since the 90's as a kid.

 

[cuke2u]

Well, yeh, I mean in terms of the start of the previous regs.

This is what frustrates me about new regs, because one team often nails them and is too dominant for a while.

Welcome to F1..

 

[Greboth]

it was a £432,000 (0.37%) overspend on the allowed budget

£1.8 million or 1.6% overspend.

If you ever stop working for the Red Bull PR team you’ll get it right one day.

 

[Jono8]

Ah, fair, yeah Marc were very quick in 2014 or whenever it was.

This season is boring, I'm fed up of Sky prices as it is, Football is boring me, not sure I'm going to bother watching any more tbh, and I'm been watching F1 since the 90's as a kid.

It's just frustrating to have teams close in on each other, just for another reg change to introduce dominance again.

I mean, it seems pretty obvious that baring some miracle or crashes/retirements, Red Bull will 1,2 every single race this season.

 

[Stu999]

Will be interested to see what the Merc updates will be like at Imola, increasing the competition would be good. Toto and George are downplaying it though. At the least, hopefully the car will be prettier instead of the jelly mould sides.