The problem is no matter what the overspend actually was, it instills doubt into the audience. And that’s not good for the sport. Your average punter will know RB broke the rules, on the first year of new regs so absolutely critical for a new car, yet here they are swanning off into the distance without a care in the world. It leaves a terrible impression on the sport.
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Will be interested to see what the Merc updates will be like at Imola, increasing the competition would be good. Toto and George are downplaying it though. At the least, hopefully the car will be prettier instead of the jelly mould sides.
hoping really do improve but been here many times so dont have high hopes
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KMag was having a great time.
The only shock was how poor LeClerc was.
The only shock was how poor LeClerc was.
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I think you meant to exclude the word sport at the end, hasn't been sporting like since they started making up regulations and rules when they feel like it for more 'drama' or viewers.
Everyone has an off weekend sometimes, the only difference is if Max has an off weekend he maybe gets +10 seconds on elapsed race time, that's only half his advantage P1 -> P2 so no one notices
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Charles’ car looked very slow. On those occasions where he had DRS and KMag didn’t, he wasn‘t closing anywhere near as fast as expected.Everyone has an off weekend sometimes, the only difference is if Max has an off weekend he maybe gets +10 seconds on elapsed race time, that's only half his advantage P1 -> P2 so no one notices
Yes true, the DRS on the Ferrari had rubbish effect (similar to Merc), but the Ferrari has always appeared to be better in low speed, even vs RB which doesn't really lend to overtaking on
However, Sainz faired much better across the weekend than Leclerc across the board
Will be interested to see what the Merc updates will be like at Imola, increasing the competition would be good. Toto and George are downplaying it though. At the least, hopefully the car will be prettier instead of the jelly mould sides.
I'm not getting my hopes up, but it would be a nice surprise if they could make a big leap.
From experience though, promised performance increases from upgrades rarely are as good as expected.
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The real problem here as I see it for a lot of fans is that the miami gp was hammed up to puke inducing levels while at the same time producing a competition of no real fight. It really should be none championship with noddy cars or something.
The other very real problem is that a lot of fans really don't like redbull and Max, particularly since the AD debacle which was not their fault.
Finally the rest of the teams also seem to be incapable of producing a car to match the redbull and are now giving the appearance of being incompetent clowns. This leads me to one of two conclusions, either all the other teams bar those plucky guys at AM are indeed incompetent engineering teams or redbull are doing something significantly different that no one has any idea about.
Everyone keeps harking back to the merc years of dominance and that did indeed kill the show, but the reason was fairly clear, Merc had by far the best engine package. The current redbull advantage just cannot be pinned down, certainly not by the layman.
Personally I think ferrari are a good example along with maybe maclaren, they have produced beautiful cars, their engineering teams appeared to understand the new regs last year, but this year far from taking a step forward they both seemed to have moved backwards.
So pragmatically the redbull achievement just doesn't make logical sense at the moment. There is something else going on, it must be legal because even the fia can't be that stupid, but it is not insignificant.
As for merc, they really have ended up in a management meeting style death spiral, hopefully the imola upgrades will do something but I'll believe it when I see it.
The other very real problem is that a lot of fans really don't like redbull and Max, particularly since the AD debacle which was not their fault.
Finally the rest of the teams also seem to be incapable of producing a car to match the redbull and are now giving the appearance of being incompetent clowns. This leads me to one of two conclusions, either all the other teams bar those plucky guys at AM are indeed incompetent engineering teams or redbull are doing something significantly different that no one has any idea about.
Everyone keeps harking back to the merc years of dominance and that did indeed kill the show, but the reason was fairly clear, Merc had by far the best engine package. The current redbull advantage just cannot be pinned down, certainly not by the layman.
Personally I think ferrari are a good example along with maybe maclaren, they have produced beautiful cars, their engineering teams appeared to understand the new regs last year, but this year far from taking a step forward they both seemed to have moved backwards.
So pragmatically the redbull achievement just doesn't make logical sense at the moment. There is something else going on, it must be legal because even the fia can't be that stupid, but it is not insignificant.
As for merc, they really have ended up in a management meeting style death spiral, hopefully the imola upgrades will do something but I'll believe it when I see it.
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Leclerc seemed to lose all confidence for the race, he seemed a broken man. Sainz was reasonable at best, didn't he finnish fifth in the end, behind a merc and an Aston?
Imo ferrari badly need a new pair of drivers. For both the good of the team and the current drivers.
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You are correct they're not and, to be honest, I don't care if Mercedes do sort out their issues as they are just one team out of the majority that need to do a better job, AM being more of an exception. At the moment we have the best driver in the best car putting them all to shame.
Mclaren, jeez, what an embarrassment they've become, they seem to have gone into reverse...
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It’s an interesting culture at Ferrari where they start with excellent drivers and slowly but surely demoralise them to the point where they look like amateurs. For all of RBs faults, they at least build their drivers up, or at least one of them anyway. One seems better than none.
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I really can't wait to find out what it is.
I think it's something to do with the rear of the car and engine mapping personally. You can hear that their exhaust note is vastly different to all the other teams when going around corners.
It's so bad that we're 5 races in and the commentators have freely given up on anyone actually racing the RBs on the circuit.
Another reason to hate these regs. Norris was just stepping up in ‘21 (another Brit to support) yet now he’s in no man’s land.
Somebody said it earlier, so many grumpy drivers all the time. I think it’s the cars, they don’t look fun to drive. Nobody gets out (even after a good performance) and waxes lyrical about how good the car felt that day. And you see the difference in performance from one track to another- it can be so random.
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Nothing to do with the regs whatsoever, Mclaren were on the back foot anyway and went down the wrong development path pre season and now are playing catchup. But appear to still have the wind tunnel issues until the new one comes on song.
The current regs haven't affected RB at all but, as it is the same for every team, it is up to those teams to raise their game and do a better job, such as AM have also done. It seems that the other teams inability to do this are probably flattering RB and even they must be surprised at how superior their car is.
The current regs haven't affected RB at all but, as it is the same for every team, it is up to those teams to raise their game and do a better job, such as AM have also done. It seems that the other teams inability to do this are probably flattering RB and even they must be surprised at how superior their car is.
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Have you noticed the alpha tauri making the same noise (haven’t noticed and I am temporarily deaf, or I would go listen myself
)?I am half hoping there was some **** up on RBs end and they gave Perez a target time to achieve (which presumably he hit) but they didn’t take into account max's performance (either deliberately or even they were surprised), but I suspect what we saw is simply the gap between Max and Sergio. It's no insult, he (Sergio) just cannot live with max most of the time, even at a street circuit that supposedly Perez excels at.
I honestly think the constructors will be over by august, perhaps Sergio can delay the inevitable in the drivers, but he can’t stop it
I also voted 2/10, maybe harsh, but the track is horrific and is almost as bad as baku imo. If they are going to insist on these street circuits they need to spread them out a bit more imo.
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There's a lot of races coming up, it could end up being very monotonous.
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Perhaps get your facts straight before calling people out?
'the FIA statement that said had Red Bull Bull applied the correct treatment to a notional tax credit, the team would have exceeded the budget cap limit by just £432,652. This, he pointed out, reduced the overspend from 1.6% to 0.37%.'
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Untouchable Schumacher era monotonous or Untouchable Hamilton era monotonus?
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