Apparently it was introduced at Spa, but doubt it was used at Zandvoort or Monza.
Poll: Official 2024 Azerbaijan Grand Prix Race Thread - Baku City Circuit - Race 17/24
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Pretty mad how that wing is flexing, no wonder they were quick.
Overall a fairly boring race.
I think the Perez - Sainz incident could have been avoided.
Overall a fairly boring race.
I think the Perez - Sainz incident could have been avoided.
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I wonder what people who think this was a boring race want? The first part was slow, I'll give you that, but from there is was a banger only mildly spoiled by a clumsy incident ending a cracking wheel-to-wheel end race battle for podium places.
Sorry, I didn't mean for my reply to come off that you didn't know it opened and closed haha! I was explaining the mechanical and external composite structure requirements (towards the end plates) needed to match said central mechanical fixing, so the slot gap remains even and legal across the whole wing (i.e. no flexing towards the edges of the flap, like in the images and videos we've seen so far).
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I suppose there are those voting who will compare it to races of all time, so for them, even the best races of this season will still be a 6/7 maybe? I try not to take it too seriously but, if you are voting that as less than 7, I'd possibly give up watching F1 as you aren't going to realistically ever be satisfied with what tends to be served up these days.
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but isn't that every single F1 thread, the same people coming in here week after week complaining about the same thing, yet they keep watching, and then keep coming back here to complain.
Ah got you. Hard to tell on the internet!
As the actuator is pushing it closed I wonder if there's any point at which applying more pressure pushing on that middle point starts to flex the wing itself, beyond any FIA load tests? Seems like the only way to do anything mechanically that could be applied during the race otherwise it's reliant on the force of the airflow over it. If it's something I can think of then I'm sure it's been tried.
Interesting if it was introduced in Spa. I'm sure someone willing to put more effort in than me can gather up a few onboard clips before and after to see if there's anything new going on
It could be down to how the wing is build in terms of the carbon fibre layers or whatever other composite material they might be using. The edges could be thinner/more flexible and therefore deform (intentionally) under load. So it may be that the edges aren't tested.Ah got you. Hard to tell on the internet!
As the actuator is pushing it closed I wonder if there's any point at which applying more pressure pushing on that middle point starts to flex the wing itself, beyond any FIA load tests? Seems like the only way to do anything mechanically that could be applied during the race otherwise it's reliant on the force of the airflow over it. If it's something I can think of then I'm sure it's been tried.
Interesting if it was introduced in Spa. I'm sure someone willing to put more effort in than me can gather up a few onboard clips before and after to see if there's anything new going on
I've not thought this comment through, just thinking out loud.... what if the FIA were just like "the wings can flex as much as you want". What's the worst that could happen in the eyes of health and safety? The wings are too weak and fly off on the slightest touch, into the crowd decapitating someone?
Yeah that's what I meant when I said would reliant on the aero load (which I do think is most likely btw, it's been common practice on the front wing for a long time so why not try it elsewhere).
I was trying to think if there was any other way to 'actively' flex the wing if it weren't composition based or if the tests Tigget described prevented it. I'd ruled out anything expanding/contacting inside the wing itself like hydraulics or further actuators. Central loading from the DRS actuator that could be dialled in for specific tracks and conditions sounded like a neat solution in my head but unlikely to be in use.
Edit: Just had a quick go by hand with a business card as I've got one on me. Didn't deform in the right way when I approximated what I meant. Who needs FEA and wind tunnels?
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I think it's exactly this. It also means it's so difficult to test/check this sort of element because when they doo look at a car during parc fereme to check, it isn't travelling at 300kph...
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FIA release statement amid fan claims that McLaren should be disqualified from Azerbaijan GP after unseen footage emerges
The FIA have released a statement on the status of both McLaren cars amid fan calls for them to be disqualified from the Azerbaijan Grand Prix.
FIA: "We don't allow any moveable/flexible aero".FIA release statement amid fan claims that McLaren should be disqualified from Azerbaijan GP after unseen footage emerges
The FIA have released a statement on the status of both McLaren cars amid fan calls for them to be disqualified from the Azerbaijan Grand Prix.www.sportbible.com
Also the FIA: "Steve sat on the wing and that's good enough for us".
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Not really, they have a defined set of pretty rigorous tests. Like anything else in F1, the good designers draw into the gaps those tests create for their benefit.
Ultimately, things bend, so they define "not bending" as doesn't bend more than a specific amount under specific loads at specific points.
Soldato
They'd have to bend otherwise they would just snap.
Me thinks someone is reading too much into Internet hyperbole. A bit like 'my mate down the pub says so thus it must be true'.
Absolutely, the material is inherently flexible, and the FIA have allowances for how far each part can flex (to prevent teams from overreaching), but the DRS flap opening at high speed is not right.
They've banned flexible aero before.
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Then they should introduce some new tests and give them some races to introduce replacement wings, as they've done before.
Either way, the wing is legal and if McLaren really are getting an advantage from this gap then good for them.
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All part of F1. RB have capitalised off loopholes for long enough. Now it’s the turn of another team.
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Correction, every team capitalises off loopholes and still do, Brawn did it with their blown diffuser and Mercedes did it with their DAS system.
I'm all for innovation and the general tech behind F1. Also have no issue with Oscar winning so it's purely about the FIA being consistent. They shouldn't be banning anything mid season if it's not specifically in the rules, which they have done.
Did they?
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