***Official AMD Mantle Thread***

[Harlequin]

So, by your logic, as Direct3D 8 was released before Mantle was announced then Mantle was spurred on by Direct3D 8? O.o

Direct3D 12 was in development long before Mantle was usable, probably even before it was announced, it's development cycle would have completely dwarfed Mantles as it needs to work with N times as many GPU's, it's probably been in development since before Windows 8 launched!

the deveolpement cycle for DX12 wasn't that long , since its based upon DX11.2 - the next feature level is called DX11.3 ; as someone said previously (I think) MS hasn't really cared about gaming on PC since xbox came out

 

[elmuzzy66.]

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/1...velopment-declares-directx-no-longer-evolving

MS said DX was no longer evolving themselves...

Sure it was

 

[Gregster]

AMD has never paid anyone to use Mantle, developers either choose to use it or they don't.

You sure about that?

Part of the deal included AMD giving Battlefield 4 developer DICE early access to the new “Mantle” API technology. The game will support the new tech in an update in December, which is said to bring much better performance to AMD Radeon graphics cards.

http://bf4central.com/2013/10/amdamd-paid-ea-5-million-battlefield-4-deal/

http://hexus.net/gaming/news/pc/60729-amd-spent-much-8-million-eadice-battlefield-4-deal/

 

[Harlequin]

if AMD have given Mantle totally to Khronos , as the go to for Vulkan , then it`ll be an open SDK from thursday

 

[Martini1991]

If AMD have given Kronos Mantle, then it'll just be so they can't be blamed for it becoming irrelevant

 

[mmj_uk]

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/1...velopment-declares-directx-no-longer-evolving

MS said DX was no longer evolving themselves...

Read the article.

The comment on DirectX is more startling, and in Roy’s view, poorly worded. Tech enthusiasts tend to treat “DirectX” as synonymous with “Direct3D,” but they aren’t the same thing. Direct3D continues to change and adapt, but it’s been effectively folded into Windows 8. As Roy notes “Direct3D has been absorbed into Windows core, and thus is no more a ‘technology’ than GDI or Winsock.”

Updated: Microsoft has emailed Promit Roy to say that the first email was in error, and that “DirectX is evolving and will continue to evolve.” Like Roy, though, we’re still musing as to why it took a leaked email for Microsoft to clarify its stance on DX and XNA.

 

[SiDeards73]

Never mind that a new windows usally means a newer version of dx. Wonder how much ms announcing win10 free for existing users of win7/8 has made them change their plans?

Microsoft has had low uptake on its Desktop OS's for a good while now, since Win XP pretty much, Vista was a car crash and Win8 turned a lot of people off altogher.

Coupled with free linux based GUI's they have been losing desktops, considering they built their empire on that, it does not look good for them in a reputation sense of things.

Makes sense for them to offer free upgrades to Win 7 / Win8 / Win8.1 users to Win10, as the overall uptake on those versions wasn't great for them, and anything that can do to entice people into buying Win10 is good for them.

So essentially its a brilliant market ploy, offer free upgrades in the first year to previous owners in a limited capacity, bundle in DX12 that will entice gamers to adopt your platform, anyone building a PC a year later who is into gaming will see the DX12 benefits and adopt the platform.

 

[Gregster]

when did AMD claim that DX12 was dead?

I guess you haven't been keeping up. There was threads on it here a long while ago.

 

[Harlequin]

Read the article.

which is where AMD got it comments from before MS clarified what it meant....

Taylor's comments may stem from an email that was supposedly sent from Microsoft to its XNA and DirectX MVP members earlier this year stating that as of April 1, 2014, "XNA/DirectX will be fully retired from the MVP Award Program." The email went on to state that "DirectX is no longer evolving as a technology." Microsoft issued a statement denying the accuracy of the email.

edit:

Gregster - read this comment ^^ a number of commentators are using the supposition that AMD are simply replying to the email firstly sent out by MS about the XNA programme

 

[mmj_uk]

You sure about that?



http://bf4central.com/2013/10/amdamd-paid-ea-5-million-battlefield-4-deal/

http://hexus.net/gaming/news/pc/60729-amd-spent-much-8-million-eadice-battlefield-4-deal/

You're wasting your breathe, they'll now just claim that the exorbitant amount AMD paid was purely for free game giveaways. I've been there, bought the t-shirt.

It's obvious that AMD have been paying for Mantle support, however much developers like Mantle their publishers are not going to let them waste time and money adding support for it if there's nothing in it for them.

 

[LtMatt]

You sure about that?



http://bf4central.com/2013/10/amdamd-paid-ea-5-million-battlefield-4-deal/

http://hexus.net/gaming/news/pc/60729-amd-spent-much-8-million-eadice-battlefield-4-deal/

According to our sources

Their 'sources' are wrong.

 

[Harlequin]

If AMD have given Kronos Mantle, then it'll just be so they can't be blamed for it becoming irrelevant

or they can say they are helping OGL along.... and maybe get the dire AMD OGL drivers sorted for Linux

 

[Gregster]

Their 'sources' are wrong.

If so, I am quite surprised that nobody from AMD spoke to them and ordered a retraction. AMD never hold back on speaking out about other things.

 

[Gregster]

You're wasting your breathe, they'll now just claim that the exorbitant amount AMD paid was purely for free game giveaways. I've been there, bought the t-shirt.

It's obvious that AMD have been paying for Mantle support, however much developers like Mantle their publishers are not going to let them waste time and money adding support for it if there's nothing in it for them.

I agree. With publishers being stringent on timelines and the PC getting shoddy ports, no way is a developer using Mantle without some financial gain.

 

[humbug]

I cannot believe how defensive some people are getting over Microsoft in here.

Its a new world that makes an old PC Gamer like me feel dirty occupying it.

 

[Martini1991]

I cannot believe how defensive some people are getting over Microsoft in here.

Its a new world that makes an old gamer like me feel dirty occupying.

Wut.

Are you oblivious to the leagues of Nvidia and AMD defending there is? I mean you're always in the thick of it for AMD.

 

[elmuzzy66.]

I cannot believe how defensive some people are getting over AMD in here.

Its a new world that makes an old PC Gamer like me feel dirty occupying it.

Fixed

 

[LtMatt]

If so, I am quite surprised that nobody from AMD spoke to them and ordered a retraction. AMD never hold back on speaking out about other things.

It's not practical to go around correcting every bit of misinformation that is written unfortunately.

We bundled Battlefield 4 with our 290/290X cards at launch.

 

[humbug]

Mantle right now is a proprietary BETA API just to clear that up.






'Mantle dead as we know it' SDK cancellation could be a hint that Mantle could be handed straight over as Vulcan?

There is your SDK access right there and AMD have indeed actually handed the keys straight over to Khronos like AMD originally stated?

As far as i'm aware they already did hand the key's to Khronos, about a year ago.

 

[Gregster]

@ Matt

Are these games still getting Mantle?

- Mass Effect
- Star Wars
- Need for speed
- Mirror's Edge