That is your taste. You have to accept the fact that people have different tastes and might actually prefer the graphics of WoW over the graphics of Deus Ex 3. Just like someone might prefer the looks of Jennifer Lopez over the looks of Scarlett Johannson.
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That is your taste. You have to accept the fact that people have different tastes and might actually prefer the graphics of WoW over the graphics of Deus Ex 3. Just like someone might prefer the looks of Jennifer Lopez over the looks of Scarlett Johannson.
I cant see anything more irrational about my logic than your false assumptions of the graphics in a game thats meant to work on the X Box 360.
How do you expect consoles to be able to run the kind of Graphics you describe? How do you know that the screenshots you took and complain about are or arent on the PC at highest detail?
I seriously doubt that anyone plays WoW just for its graphics. People play the game because they enjoy the gameplay, not because of the graphics.
How do you expect consoles to be able to run the kind of Graphics you describe? How do you know that the screenshots you took and complain about are or arent on the PC at highest detail?
I seriously doubt that anyone plays WoW just for its graphics. People play the game because they enjoy the gameplay, not because of the graphics.
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If graphics are irrelevant then it does not matter whether they are correctly displayed or not.
I did not say they did. I said that some people might prefer WoW grapics over DX3 graphics.
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LOL no. Have you watched or played the Dragon Age 2 demo yet in DX11 with its severe shadow errors? People dont care what the base graphics are like if they are running how they should without bugs.
And if they do then they have absolutely no ground to stand on whining about the graphics in Deus Ex 3.
Consoles can look fantastic sometimes. Gears of War, Crysis 2, Lost Planet 2, Killzone 3 etc prove it. Trailers for multi-platform games never show PC gameplay, and any console port never looks dramatically better on PC (barring the very few exceptions, GTAIV etc) so it's not unthinkable that it wont look any better than that, whilst in my opinion, should look better than that.
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I'll agree with that, but is Deus Ex 3 a game thats being ported from consoles to the PC, or from the PC to consoles?
You said graphics were irrelevant. Are you saying that graphics suddenly become important when they are not displayed correctly?
Yes they do, because this is called taste. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder as they say.
This argument of yours is completely stupid. I have no need to bother with debating with such a ridiculous statement.
Which ridiculous statement? I did not make one...
No because large scale mp/mmo games like wow etc aim for the lowest common denominator so can't have high end gfx as they need masses of players so need to run on crap computers.
Deus ex aimed at the lowest common denominator is going to be **** if you want a deus ex sequal.
also SC2's gfx are hardly sub par.
But an SP game ran by a big company with very poor ps2 era gfx would be lacking in investment.
That you obviously think that bugs and graphical errors are the same thing as the graphics engine.
Thats only if you assume that graphics also represent the gameplay, which they dont. The game will most likely be a dumbed down console title in terms of gameplay, but the graphics dont really have anything to do with that.
Exactly the same with Deus Ex 3 tbh.
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I asked you a question and did not make a statement. Let me ask you another one: Do graphics equal looks (with regards to a game)?
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Uh oh. Can I just say, while I love both SS2 and DE1, and they will forever be classics, it's not just the graphics that are dated. A lot of the mechanics are weak, and some systems are needlessly complicated (and btw, fixing these issues is not to be considered 'dumbing down'). I tend to play them both every few years, and always find interesting design elements, but there's also plenty there that dates them aside from the graphics.
Deus Ex especially was an important game, as at that time we all thought that games like that were going to be the future. In reality, they were the past. Modern design is all about taking a handful of strong mechanics, and refining them to the nth degree. Games like Deus Ex tried to do *everything*, and that in itself was exciting. It's this feeling of being able to do anything, being able to influence the story, being able to tackle things your way. That is Deus Ex. However, the mechanics that make up the Deus Ex or 1999 seen in the cold light of day are very weak by todays standards. For example, the stealth mechanics are pretty damn weak. Weak in terms of player feedback, weak in terms of feel, weak in terms of ruleset. It didn't matter then, we'd not really seen it done much better, and to be able to have that choice was novel.
SS2 has similar problems too. I love these games, but the world has changed, the audience has changed. You COULD NOT just re-release them with a graphical refresh and expect a fresh generation of players to have that same experience we did.
As a Game/Level designer by profession, when I'm working on levels and mechanics, I really don't care what it looks like until the very end. It's the final bit of polish to the experience. So far, I think the design of DE3 looks promising, and visually I think it's looks pretty distinct too. I remain cautiously optimistic . . .
Deus Ex especially was an important game, as at that time we all thought that games like that were going to be the future. In reality, they were the past. Modern design is all about taking a handful of strong mechanics, and refining them to the nth degree. Games like Deus Ex tried to do *everything*, and that in itself was exciting. It's this feeling of being able to do anything, being able to influence the story, being able to tackle things your way. That is Deus Ex. However, the mechanics that make up the Deus Ex or 1999 seen in the cold light of day are very weak by todays standards. For example, the stealth mechanics are pretty damn weak. Weak in terms of player feedback, weak in terms of feel, weak in terms of ruleset. It didn't matter then, we'd not really seen it done much better, and to be able to have that choice was novel.
SS2 has similar problems too. I love these games, but the world has changed, the audience has changed. You COULD NOT just re-release them with a graphical refresh and expect a fresh generation of players to have that same experience we did.
As a Game/Level designer by profession, when I'm working on levels and mechanics, I really don't care what it looks like until the very end. It's the final bit of polish to the experience. So far, I think the design of DE3 looks promising, and visually I think it's looks pretty distinct too. I remain cautiously optimistic . . .
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Can we please keep this vaguely on the topic of Deus Ex 3 and not have it descend completely into the merits of gameplay vs graphics?
Seems that the game has been push back to August 26th which is a lot further than I thought 
A part of me hopes that is not true and it comes out next month. Another part thinks it's good idea, as we will end up with a better game.
A part of me hopes that is not true and it comes out next month. Another part thinks it's good idea, as we will end up with a better game.
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Well, I hope that this does mean they are taking the time to improve the game, rather than also fix things that aren't broke. Sometimes too much time developing a game has its drawbacks.
Cannot wait for August, soo desperate to play it, but would've loved to have seen it released in September - the same month and day the original was in Europe.
Cannot wait for August, soo desperate to play it, but would've loved to have seen it released in September - the same month and day the original was in Europe.
Just been watching the latest trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzHQ2cTjxNA&feature=player_embedded ), not overly impressed:
-Designer getting over-excited about multiple ways to play based on an incredibly simplistic section - kill 2 people, sneak past them, or go round them. It just seems incredibly small scale, I mean the 'gameplay options' there we've seen in many games before, it's not even close to Deus Ex: The Invisible War, never mind the original.
-Weird glowing border around all the items you can interact with, basically saying "hey, i'm a box, pick me up!".
-Shoddy graphics for a 2011 game
-Designer getting over-excited about multiple ways to play based on an incredibly simplistic section - kill 2 people, sneak past them, or go round them. It just seems incredibly small scale, I mean the 'gameplay options' there we've seen in many games before, it's not even close to Deus Ex: The Invisible War, never mind the original.
-Weird glowing border around all the items you can interact with, basically saying "hey, i'm a box, pick me up!".
-Shoddy graphics for a 2011 game