*** Official Elder Scrolls MMO Thread ***

They don't want them! If you want all those features, go to ESOUI.com and add them to your game. The devs quite clearly didn't want them included off the bat or they would have added them. I don't want them. Numerous other people that have been following this game with interest, instead of jumping on the 'let's all rag on TESO' one knew full well these things weren't in the devs vision of the game and haven't been asking for them. I would eat a hat if the cries for these things were not from the voices of the tourists and that isn't the people who the devs should be concentrating on.

Say what you like, it still won't change the fact that people that want a game to revolve around what they want, rather than what the devs have originally envisioned, ruined SWG (waaaa, I knew there was perma-death on my jedi but I've lost it because I was showing off. It's not fair SoE, I demand you change it!) and numerous other MMOs.

First I don't 'rag' on the game as I enjoy playing it, but leaving such basic things out is just plain lazy, and far far far more people want it included hence the reason most people downloaded the mini map addon, I bet you use this addon as well so saying you don't want it is just plain and utter rubbish.

What ever points I have against this game is not biased to-wards or for any other game, I just call it as I see it.
 
Except all the features were in, they changed their minds and crumbled to the ES fanboys all in the name of 'immersion' aswell you know. Having the option to see a minimap, buff tracker, SCT, nameplates etc doesnt hurt anyone. if the option to turn it off is there surely that would cater to both crowds? Draw more subs and sustain the longevity of the game?

I didn't know that actually! I was completely ambivalent about the game until I'd tried it myself so I never bothered keeping up to date on any information that was floating around. I can't argue with your second point except to say that maybe that's why they included the ability to use add-ons with the game, to make up for the functionality they (you say) removed? All I can say is that as an MMO player of 15 years, I don't miss them.


Well humor and art style are entirely different to basic UI functionality for one ;) - fyi the Wildstar team are actually changing the UI this late into the game. But I quite like the art sytle they have gone with in ESo, they could change the vibrancy in some places imo, everything doesnt need to feel washed out to try and capture that Skyrim appeal :p As to the UI, you can have a minimal look but still retain a decent level of information, my main gripe with UI would be the god damn ability delay when using the hotbar and the total lack of debuffs (as previously discussed, its all well and good not showing debuffs but give people better tells if that's the route your going, having the latest hot/debuff animation overwrite the 'tell' is silly.)

Again, hard to argue. I mean, I can tell an enemy is snared as they move slowly toward me :P Likewise I can tell they've got a DOT when they keel over without me finishing them off. I'm sure some of it is aesthetic and some is to do with the console crowd. I can't say it has been particularly detrimental to my gameplay though but then I've not done any vet dungeons, anything in Craglorn (obviously) or any great amount of PvP. It could very well have a massive impact on me then. Wait and see approach I guess.

But yeah, Wildstar is on order and I'm really looking forward to ArcheAge as the PvP looks amazing. Apart from that Black Desert just jumped to the top of my list, I'd advise you to check it out aswell (don't let the screen shake & motion blur in combat fool you, it can be turned off).

Black Desert looks amazing but I can't bring myself to get excited about a Korean game I'm afraid :(
 
First I don't 'rag' on the game as I enjoy playing it, but leaving such basic things out is just plain lazy, and far far far more people want it included hence the reason most people downloaded the mini map addon, I bet you use this addon as well so saying you don't want it is just plain and utter rubbish.

What ever points I have against this game is not biased to-wards or for any other game, I just call it as I see it.

I didn't name you at all did I? So maybe you protest too much.

And no, I absolutely have not added the minimap. I have three add ons. FCT (for the self buffs as I have explained) a spam filter (which doesn't appear to be doing squat at the moment) and the add on that lets you have more than one quest on screen (can't remember the name of it).

And don't ever presume to tell me what I do or do not want.
 
I didn't know that actually! I was completely ambivalent about the game until I'd tried it myself so I never bothered keeping up to date on any information that was floating around. I can't argue with your second point except to say that maybe that's why they included the ability to use add-ons with the game, to make up for the functionality they (you say) removed? All I can say is that as an MMO player of 15 years, I don't miss them.

He's doing his usual twisting words bull. ZOS left the API open to see what could be achieved, they never intended to allow things like minimaps.

Just don't feed the trolls. Newbie has been warned already, if he carries on being a troll and creating arguments, just report him.

I'm sick of people just not allowing others to actually enjoy the game because they don't like it.
 
I don't think he's trolling at all at the moment. He's putting decent arguments forward. They may have a bit of anti-TESO bias but my arguments may have a bit of pro-TESO bias so it evens out.

More than happy to debate with people when it is like this! :)
 
At the root here it's just personal preference which is why these arguments seem to go round and round. Just because you like (or don't like) certain design decisions it doesn't make a game good or bad it just means you either like or don't like it!

Basically you can:

a) enjoy playing it as-is
b) Download some addons like minimap or buff icons to make the UI fit your own playstyle better
c) Play something else
 
I don't think he's trolling at all at the moment. He's putting decent arguments forward. They may have a bit of anti-TESO bias but my arguments may have a bit of pro-TESO bias so it evens out.

More than happy to debate with people when it is like this! :)

That's the problem with certain people in this thread, you cant have a reasoned discussion about the positive/negatives about ESo without them getting sand in their crotch.

You were in the CB weren't you? if their beta forums are still active, then check out the threads around the time of CB1/CB2. Some of the posters in there are bat **** crazy!

Regarding Black Desert whilst the Korean aspect is a definite negative, I'm hopeful any Western Dev/publisher that gets hold it irons out the more Asian grindy kinks. Especially as sandbox seems to be the 'new' buzzword in MMO's again (see the recent PAX panel on the future of MMO's here).

Anyway, as Latex has once again done his usual and killed any sort of discussion I'm off to dream about Rocket Houses :p
 
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I took the plunge and bought this.

Has any one had a problem with not getting their 30 days free game time when registering the game?

i had to set up a subscription which i did through pay pal and it seems like its charged me for a months play and i see no evidence of my 30 days free game time anywhere. Am i missing something.

:(
 
I took the plunge and bought this.

Has any one had a problem with not getting their 30 days free game time when registering the game?

i had to set up a subscription which i did through pay pal and it seems like its charged me for a months play and i see no evidence of my 30 days free game time anywhere. Am i missing something.

:(

You still get your 30 free days, but you must set a sub to play, you can cancel at anytime within the first 30 days and not pay anything then.
 
Ah thank you so its not actually charged me even though it looks like it has ? :)

Downloading it now i am quite excited i don't think it will be ready to play while tonight though :(
 
At the root here it's just personal preference which is why these arguments seem to go round and round. Just because you like (or don't like) certain design decisions it doesn't make a game good or bad it just means you either like or don't like it!

Basically you can:

a) enjoy playing it as-is
b) Download some addons like minimap or buff icons to make the UI fit your own playstyle better
c) Play something else

This is exactly it.

Just let the people who enjoy it in peace.

We aren't jumping into your threads screaming about rocket houses, toilet humour, childish graphics, f2p aspects and so on. So give us the same respect.
 
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Ah thank you so its not actually charged me even though it looks like it has ? :)

Downloading it now i am quite excited i don't think it will be ready to play while tonight though :(

If they charge you, you'll get reimbursed. They do it sometimes to make sure it's a legitimate form of payment (usually only a penny but some places differ).

If you do get charged and it doesn't go back into your account/card/whatever you paid on, contact their CS immediately.

Enjoy the game!
 
Just let the people who enjoy it in peace.

We aren't jumping into your threads screaming about rocket houses, toilet humour, childish graphics, f2p aspects and so on. So give us the same respect.

We are playing ESO so we are discussing ESO.

Feel free to discuss Wildstar in the appropriate thread. Everyone's views are welcome whether they are constructive or criticisms.
 
Ah yeah :) just checked pay pal and they cancelled the payment :)

I was sat on the fence with this game but now that i got it really looking forward to playing it :)
 
We are playing ESO so we are discussing ESO.

Feel free to discuss Wildstar in the appropriate thread. Everyone's views are welcome whether they are constructive or criticisms.
This, i find some people response pretty ridiculous, their only way to combat anything they don't like is to cry troll and then try report to the mods, pretty sure the mods must be sick of having to read all the crap.

Teso is a pretty decent mmo with a few major flaws and think those flaws are going to end up hurting them in a big way.

One thing this game has definitely got is the ability to turn things around, played this game in beta and thought it was horrible, I mean truly bad, especially holding it up again the fluid fast action of WS, but they turned it around in a massive way, and it was the comments in this thread that made me end up changing my mind and buying the game, and it was from the 90% of reasonable people on here willing to look at both sides of the discussion!

I can certainly say I do not regret buying it as it's super fun to play, tho the issue that it has seem to be growing the more I play, one thing that most Dev's get wrong almost all the time is saying they will add it later, later is almost always to late, ask AoC if later helped them.

Will I be a long time subscriber to this game I don't think so, but time will tell, (bit harder for me as I was anti the game so very very few of the guild bought it)

And no besides the combat I do not compare this game to WS as they so different, and on the face of it this is by far more my kind of game.

But besides all the things mentioned here, not having housing, guild housing real guild events, no names, no AH (something I never really used but I know around 30/40% of gamers love to play AH deals) no mini map, and a host of other things will ultimately hurt this game.

The huge amount of instances, be it new areas or the same one you in, is another big issue, if you map to your group it puts you at a shrine and not at the player ..very lazy design.

On the plus side there are tons from game play to how fantastic the game world feels and it does, the story is decent, with some nice looking gear, I love that you can ride in all directions and not be constantly clobbered by mobs.

Time will tell how this game works, but tbh I fear for it a bit, it will always do well but I think it could have being a great mmo.

Kinda rabbited on here a bit ...:(
 
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The mob density is something that only struck me last night. I ****ing hate, hate, hate not being able to move 10 feet without being aggro'd by a mob of mobs (*glares at the otherwise lovable Secret World*)

In ESO if there are mobs, they're generally there for a reason. Makes a nice change.

Ah for god's sake, I can't even use the good F word? Pfft I say: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogrfAgbIfFo
 
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