**** Official Fallout 76 Thread ****

I've been playing for a few days now and thoroughly enjoying it. Had a bit of a mishap the second day when the game wouldn't launch - turned out the fallout76.exe somehow got deleted.

For those worried about the multiplayer aspect, the world's are huge and the servers are capped at 24 players, so I've not really bumped into many players yet. Also big difference to FO4 in that you now have to pay caps for fast travel. You're also limited to 400ibs of weight in your "stash" box, unlike FO4 where you had unlimited storage it does mean you've gotta be much more selective with what you want to keep.

The two areas of the game I've noticed have a huge change over FO4, the perk system, and survivability. The perk system you only level the SPECIAL stats, and you get perk cards to use. You've gotta be very selective with the perk bonuses you wish to use, unlike with FO4 where you can can unlock every perk.

Survivability adds much more complexity to the game, with FO4 you only ever had to focus on your health and radiation. With FO76 you've also got to monitor your hunger and thirst. And your player gets thirsty and hungry very often!
 
Born2BSlow said:
My 13 yo son has asked for this for Christmas. He plays Rainbow Six Siege but that's the only 18 game I've allowed him so far. He's a sensible lad. He'll understand if I say no, just asking as I have little experience of the Fallout series and won't be getting this myself.
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The Fallout series is set in a post-apocalypse world strewn with the following:

Skeletons
Corpses
The brutally harsh stories of the collapse of civilisation and numerous deaths
Suicide. Over and over and over again. Many survivors of the initial bombing committed suicide. You will find their corpses and sometimes their notes.
Grief
PTSD
More and more PTSD
Insanity
Rape
Slavery
Torture
Murder
Murder
Murder
Did I mention murder?
Grotesque experiments on unwilling victims
Cannibalism
Dismembered human corpses being butchered for food. You will find that a lot.

It's a very unpleasant gameworld. It's very appropriate for the setting, but it's very much an adult's game.

For example, here's a transcript of one of the survivor stories in FO76:

Hi... Dassa asked me if I would talk about how I got here. She asked everybody. So I said okay. My name is Colonel, and I'm 13 years old. I just wanted to say I'm sorry. I'm sorry for everything... um... the bombs and the messed up people and the cows with two heads. All of it. I was bad... just bad. I cheated on my spelling test, I kicked Chip Wilkins in the shins until he cried, I pushed Rosie McCloy down the stairs... Um... I cut holes in the bottoms of all the gym shorts, and I put glue in the mashed potatoes in the cafeteria... I told Harold Newell to eat ten dead flies a day in order to grow muscles, and um, I put Nuka-Cola in the rat cage water bottles at the pet store... And um... I just wanted to say I'm sorry about everything... because my dad said if I wasn't this way that bad things wouldn't happen... I haven't seen daddy since the bombs and so I guess he left because of that too... It's okay, I am trying to be good now though. *sniffles* I'm not old enough to be a Volunteer but Dassa said I could help collect food and water... so I'm getting better, I promise! And um... daddy? If you're listening... I promise I won't be bad anymore so you can come back now. Okay? Okay. Bye. *sniffles*
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Now imagine that read by a voice actor doing a decent job of portraying a 13 year old broken by PTSD and grief. Which is what you'd hear if you played FO76. His dad's dead, of course. It's Fallout. A grim, repulsive world of horrors.
 
Tom|Nbk said:
Oh come on now at 20 quid nobody has any complaints
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Yes, they do. Legitimate complaints, too. There is a lot wrong with the game. There would be legitimate complaints if the game was free.

I think it's worth betting £20 on being able to enjoy the game despite the numerous things wrong with it. I'm not just talking about bugs that might or might not get fixed. The flaws in FO76 run much deeper than that.
 
I think sooner or later Bethesda will dump this game & move onto Starfield & Fallout 5. It would cost more time & effort to fix than make a brand new game! But that does not mean you cannot find something to like though if you liked Fallout 4 that is.

Hopefully when it gets dumped they allow private servers, mods & it will appear on Steam to live on for a few years so modders can fix it & extend the lifespan.

Found so many critical design issues with the gameplay & or bugs its going to take forever to even make it halfway decent. Stumbled across a town full of higher lvl super mutants I managed to kill the lot (at least 10) using just a sledgehammer & run away & sneak back tactics the AI is so poor they just stumbled into each other trying to get me & could not connect their hits! Some unhelpful player who was almost lvl 100 just watched me & did not help then tried to loot all my hard earned stash after the mega battle!

Power armour repair is so clumsy & weird.
Inventory management is so awkward & time consuming.
Lack of resource & the constant need to craft is so tedious & poorly designed.
Lack of regular saves & checkpointing means you can lose a lot of progress at times.
Almost every single mission or sub quest requires you have +1 higher lvl perk than you currently have is also tedious & boring.

If you skip the main logo at the wrong moment it cuts ALL ingame sound out until you quit & restart from the desktop!
The Bethesda launcher causes Windows 10 to hang on shutdown at times its very unstable after a long game session. Also noticed 76 is forcing game mode on Win 10 as well even if you have a super fast PC game mode is always on regardless.
 
A friend of mine just bought this game for roughly €20 and I was wondering if the game was really worth the price or is it better just to save ones money for something better?
 
How has this now dropped to under £20?? I was interested but the reviews and lets play have made up my mind.
I really feel for those that that bought at full price... its nuts.
 
Angilion said:
The Fallout series is set in a post-apocalypse world strewn with the following:

Skeletons
Corpses
The brutally harsh stories of the collapse of civilisation and numerous deaths
Suicide. Over and over and over again. Many survivors of the initial bombing committed suicide. You will find their corpses and sometimes their notes.
Grief
PTSD
More and more PTSD
Insanity
Rape
Slavery
Torture
Murder
Murder
Murder
Did I mention murder?
Grotesque experiments on unwilling victims
Cannibalism
Dismembered human corpses being butchered for food. You will find that a lot.

It's a very unpleasant gameworld. It's very appropriate for the setting, but it's very much an adult's game.
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I'm going with a no, my brother in law has been trying to convince me it'll be fine, but I think that's because he already bought it full price, for himself and my nephew who is also 13 and they wanted my son to play online with them. I don't think it's appropriate, so I won't be getting it for him. Thanks for the response (I have also read around reviews elsewhere so it's not just based on this).
 
I just think the Fallout series deserves more from Bethesda. I understand it'll be damage control at the moment, but they need to come out with some sort of acknowledgement of the issues, as well as a "we can fix this" reassurance.
They're trading off their name, but damaging the value every day.

There's a lot of dismissal of all reviews just now, but the reason they're all saying the same thing, is because that's just how it is. There may be bandwagon jumpers, but most of the review sites I'd read or view are just laughing at this shambolic mess.
 
This could very well be the end of Hines' or Howard's careers, with how corporate the company has become, maybe not though.

I just wish i knew who was the main proponent of all this almost malevolent decision making.
 
StriderX said:
This could very well be the end of Hines' or Howard's careers, with how corporate the company has become, maybe not though.

I just wish i knew who was the main proponent of all this almost malevolent decision making.
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Unlikely as Fallout 4 day one sales were $750M still the largest ever single day entertainment launch on any platform (games or movies). Fallout 4 & DLC still sells well 3 years later on all platforms as more players discover it. They will get another chance with Starfield & Fallout 5 if those fail then yep the entire dev team will get fired or outsourced to the lowest bidder!

76 probably did not cost a huge amount of money to make once they got the map terrain landscape finished as its the only really different graphics to Fallout4. Most of the graphical content in 76 is Fallout 4 re-used or changed ever so slightly. Also the 76 netcode was being developed as part of Fallout 4 but they stopped in mid 2015 once they realised it would not be ready in time so even that did not cost them an awful lot as some of the work was already done!
 
Strudders said:
How has this now dropped to under £20?? [..]
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Because it's very bad. And it is very bad. I'm playing it and I'm enjoying parts of it, but it's fundamentally flawed in numerous ways. It's a badly made bad implementation of bad ideas and even someone who really likes the Fallout gameworld and is willing to work around this unstable, bug-ridden game with numerous design flaws to find the good game buried in the mess won't play it for long. It has no enduring appeal even in a best case scenario. It's not at all like previous Fallout (or Elder Scrolls) games in that respect.

I think the design of the gameworld was done by people who know their craft and worked with care and skill, but everything else was not. It's like handing skilled chefs the lowest quality stale and slightly mouldy ingredients and some dirt, a couple of blunt knives and a simple fire and telling them to make a meal from that and a cold donner kebab left over from the previous night. They've managed to make something that's not utterly terrible in every way, but it is very bad.

Some of it can be fixed. They could make it more stable, for a start. They could redo the PC controls so they're, well, PC controls and not a cack-handed clumsy console port. They could add in some graphical configuration rather than relying on people editing ini files. Editing ini files for basic functionality in 2018. What on earth were they thinking? Were they thinking? They could partially fix base building by buying the right to use existing mods for FO4 building. They could partially fix the pointlessly bad inventory management by buying the right to use existing mods for FO4 inventory management. They could probably fix the impractically low stash limit in order to make base building feasible.

Some of it can't be fixed. The whole MP/SP mashup doesn't work and won't work. The lack of NPCs is a related problem, but it stems from the failed attempt to mash MP and SP together, designing an SP game for MP. It's the wrong game on the wrong engine for that even if it was done well, which it hasn't been. Making it an online game removes Bethesda's most valuable asset - modders.

They went from the most successful game ever to a game so bad that less than 2 weeks after launch it's failing to sell at 40% of full price. That's remarkable. They've probably still made a profit, though, as FO76 is a quick reheating of FO4. Like the leftovers of a nice meal mixed with a pint of rancid budget ketchup, blended by pushing it through an oily paper shredder and reheated at the wrong temperature so it's charred on the outside and cold on the inside.

I wouldn't normally go on about the mess so much, but it's made worse by the fact that there is the carcass of a good game buried in the ordure. Imagine you went to a furniture shop and there's a lovely sofa there, just what you were looking for...but it's covered in urine and vomit. That's FO76.
 
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