Poll: ***Official Formula One 2010 Thread***

What version of F1 2010 did you purchase

  • Steam / Digital Copy

    Votes: 225 57.8%

  • Retail Boxed Copy

    Votes: 164 42.2%
  • Total voters
    389
GRRRR EFFF THE BUGs IN THIS GAME!!

Two races in a row though the AI has decided that some players do not need to pit,

At hockinehiem it was button who won the race by 50 seconds and just now at budpest its chandhok!!! WTF seriously chandhok just won the race

and yes two dry races
 
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deko said:
This might sound counter-intuitive, but you're driving far too smoothly. By far the best way to be quick in F1 2010 is to absolutely throw the car around, basically just taking advantage of the physics problems.

It was a great looking lap, just not as fast as you can be by grabbing the car by the scruff of the neck and chucking it about.
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I know what you mean and i'm sure there is loads more time but i'm a Jenson Button by habbit not a Lewis Hamilton :p

I used to do a bit of karting and now do track days in my kit car and i'm starting to do a few hill climbs and sprints where being smooth gains you a lot of time. My style works well in the GTL league i'm in but maybe i need to get out of it and throw these cars around a bit!
 
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Mr.Fantastic said:
Nothing Special.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhoJgDwT6HU
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Nice lap and a great time. A lot faster than the Renault lap i just did!

You can brake a good bit later than i can and shift down quicker without locking up. Any idea what brake bias you are using?

I noticed you changing the wing too. I've never bothered with it so far, does it make much difference?

I might have to jump in the Mclaren and try to beat that at some point! :D
 
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Here is the set that i was using

Aero Dynamics:
Front Wing Angle: 7
Rear Wing Angle: 6

Braking:
Balance: F 52% - 48% R
Pressure: High
Brake Size: Small

Balance:
Ballast Distribution: F 80% - 20% R
Front anti-roll bar: 5
Rear anti-roll bar: 10

Suspension:
Front Ride Height: 1
Rear Ride Height: 1
Front Spring Stiffness: 8
Rear Spring Stiffness: 9

Gearbox:

Gear 1: 77 MPH
Gear 2: 95 MPH
Gear 3: 112 MPH
Gear 4: 123 MPH
Gear 5: 148 MPH
Gear 6: 167 MPH
Gear 7: 188 MPH

Engine:
Throttle map: Fast
Fuel: N / A

Alignment:

Camber front: -1.30
Camber rear: -3.30
Toe Front: 0.11
Rear Toe: 0.41
 
sunama said:
When I was younger I used to use the smooth method (ie. brake once into a corner and accelerate once out of the corner). Ever since I saw a video of how MSc generated so much pace (ie. blipping the throttle throughout a corner), I changed my style.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk2p2nRK-p4

That video says Schumacher was odd in that he was one of the few who was incredibly smooth with his throttle, in contrast to someone like Senna who would be making lots of very small throttle adjustments through a corner.

I'm guessing you saw a different video, as that one portrays him as the total opposite of a throttle blipper.
 
Kenai said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk2p2nRK-p4

That video says Schumacher was odd in that he was one of the few who was incredibly smooth with his throttle, in contrast to someone like Senna who would be making lots of very small throttle adjustments through a corner.

I'm guessing you saw a different video, as that one portrays him as the total opposite of a throttle blipper.
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The video you have posted is exactly the one which I saw previously.
Check out the video which you have posted. Look at 3:00.

It compares Herbert Vs MSc.

Herbert (Brake once, Accelerate once Technique)
What we see is that Herbert brakes into the corner and when he does this, he lifts off the throttle completely. At some point during the corner (probably the apex), he accelerates once out of the corner, giving near maximum throttle. When driving, this will appear smooth, ie. brake once into the corner and accelerate once out of the corner. Jenson Button should exemplify this type of driving.

MSc (Constant Throttle Technique)
MSc on the other hand, when braking for the corner, is all the time blipping his throttle. This places the car right on the ragged edge, throughout the corner. Senna did was exactly the same. Notice that the graph shows that at no stage does MSc ever lift off the throttle completely (unlike Herbert who lifted off completely).

The idea is that (if we use MSc as an example), in order to go fast, it is no good to simply brake once (into a corner) and accelerate once (out of a corner). Instead, a driver should aim to be applying the throttle, while driving throughout the corner. At no stage, should he completely lift off.

Hamilton drives in a similar style to Senna/MSc where he attempts to apply the throttle throughout the corner. Button (in the same car), is smoother, and as such aims to brake once and accelerate once out of the corner. The result of driving smooth is that it is kinder to your vehicle and looks nice and controlled (just as we saw in the video posted by SwannyUK - very smooth and controlled, where he braked once into a corner and accelerated once out of it, however, the lap time yielded is slower). Smooth driving is what should be used in the wet. This explains why J.Button's smooth driving style is very effective in the wet (both of his wins this year have come in wet races).

Senna is arguably the fastest wet weather driver and his throttle graphs would be very interesting to look at in wet weather. My bet is that he adopts a smoother driving style in the wet and reserves the constant throttle technique, only on dry tracks.

Don't get me wrong, for sheer enjoyment, I much prefer to drive using the Brake once, Accelerate once technique, but to go fast, you have blip the throttle throughout the corner, just as we see MSc doing in the video you posted.
 
sunama said:
The video you have posted is exactly the one which I saw previously.
Check out the video which you have posted. Look at 3:00.

It compares Herbert Vs MSc.

Herbert (Brake once, Accelerate once Technique)
What we see is that Herbert brakes into the corner and when he does this, he lifts off the throttle completely. At some point during the corner (probably the apex), he accelerates once out of the corner, giving near maximum throttle. When driving, this will appear smooth, ie. brake once into the corner and accelerate once out of the corner. Jenson Button should exemplify this type of driving.

MSc (Constant Throttle Technique)
MSc on the other hand, when braking for the corner, is all the time blipping his throttle. This places the car right on the ragged edge, throughout the corner. Senna did was exactly the same. Notice that the graph shows that at no stage does MSc ever lift off the throttle completely (unlike Herbert who lifted off completely).

The idea is that (if we use MSc as an example), in order to go fast, it is no good to simply brake once (into a corner) and accelerate once (out of a corner). Instead, a driver should aim to be applying the throttle, while driving throughout the corner. At no stage, should he completely lift off.

Hamilton drives in a similar style to Senna/MSc where he attempts to apply the throttle throughout the corner. Button (in the same car), is smoother, and as such aims to brake once and accelerate once out of the corner. The result of driving smooth is that it is kinder to your vehicle and looks nice and controlled (just as we saw in the video posted by SwannyUK - very smooth and controlled, where he braked once into a corner and accelerated once out of it, however, the lap time yielded is slower). Smooth driving is what should be used in the wet. This explains why J.Button's smooth driving style is very effective in the wet (both of his wins this year have come in wet races).

Senna is arguably the fastest wet weather driver and his throttle graphs would be very interesting to look at in wet weather. My bet is that he adopts a smoother driving style in the wet and reserves the constant throttle technique, only on dry tracks.

Don't get me wrong, for sheer enjoyment, I much prefer to drive using the Brake once, Accelerate once technique, but to go fast, you have blip the throttle throughout the corner, just as we see MSc doing in the video you posted.
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I'm sorry but that video explicitly contradicts virtually all of what you have written. It paints Senna and Schumacher as almost polar opposites in their style and yet you try and paint them as almost identical.

At 3.00 they are comparing Schumacher and Herbert through Bridge, where Schumacher is shown to ease off slightly and then progressively go back to full throttle, where Herbert lifts, then stabs at the throttle, then lifts again (though not quite as much, then stabs again. This is shown by Schumacher have a smooth curved dip where as Herbert has a violent up and down spiking.

At no point in that trace does Schumacher 'blip the throttle', he eases off partially and eases back on afterwards - about the smoothest way you could have taken that corner.

edit - Listen to what Herbert says at 1:10 onwards, he lists a lot of drivers, citing Senna as the best example as drivers who constantly adjust the throttle through a corner, compared to Schumacher who is just once off and once on.
 
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Kenai said:
At no point in that trace does Schumacher 'blip the throttle', he eases off partially and eases back on afterwards - about the smoothest way you could have taken that corner.
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When I mean "blip", I mean maintain pressure on the throttle pedal.

His technique is to apply throttle throughout the corner. The smoother method of driving would be lift off completely, while braking. Then once you hit the apex, hit the accelerator. Brake once, accelerate once.

MSc on the other hand doesnt brake once and lift off completely. He is constantly peppering the throttle.

At the end of the day, many F1 drivers out there know about all these techniques and they have to choose what they prefer and what works best for them. There is no point in arguing over the techniques - they are there for all to see. Make what you will of those graphs and drive accordingly to improve your lap time.
 
This is getting too funny now.

I'm still trying to convince some people on the CM forums that i've won the title in a Lotus. I've uploaded screenshots but they still won't have it so i'm going to post a vid from a 3 lap race i just did where i went from 19th to 4th in the little Lotus.

The only way to actually prove it is by inviting these nut jobs to my house for a week so i can show them...don't think that's happening :D
 
Can anyone with the steam version none modded do me a little favour please.
Could you right click your tracks folder and tell me how big in size it is.
I was using the sun mod I've now removed it but it seems I screwed my backup of the original tracks file up and no longer have one.

Size on disc of mine is 2.39gb
cheers to anyone who takes the time to help
 
A 'blip' is a short sharp poke of the throttle, not maintaining a consistent pressure on it. Your understanding of that word is the complete opposite to accepted convention :/

Are you honestly trying to say that the throttle trace for Herbert is smoother than Schumacher? That was for a corner they enter at 160mph, there is no 'lift off completely while braking' for that corner, just a slight lift. Schumacher does this in one smooth gradual off to on motion whilst Herbert is off/on/off/on/off/on.

Look earlier in the video and you will find the traces for Schumacher doing precisely that, lifting once, smooth progressive increase back to full throttle.

I am at a loss as to how you can watch the video and come to the conclusion that Schumacher is anything other than the epitome of a smooth driver, the polar opposite to a driver like Senna who would be making hundreds of adjustments through a corner.
 
Roeg1 said:
Can anyone with the steam version none modded do me a little favour please.
Could you right click your tracks folder and tell me how big in size it is.
I was using the sun mod I've now removed it but it seems I screwed my backup of the original tracks file up and no longer have one.

Size on disc of mine is 2.39gb
cheers to anyone who takes the time to help
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The sun mod is only 760kb big.
 
Loving this game so far I'm only using a Logitech Driving Force GT and i thought that was fun , went round a mates house the other night and he has the G27 i done a few laps and wanted to take his wheel away with me !

Sadly he wouldn't let me or do a swap :( Time to save for the G27!!
 
sunama said:
His technique is to apply throttle throughout the corner. The smoother method of driving would be lift off completely, while braking. Then once you hit the apex, hit the accelerator. Brake once, accelerate once.
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As I actually have a racing license a couple of race cars I'd like to correct you on something, smooth is typically faster but smooth IS NOT lifting off the throttle entirely. Typically we trail-brake in to a corner whilst balancing the throttle, you can do this with left foot braking or more typically rolling off the brake and on the throttle (balanced until roughly the apex) with heel n' toe methods.

Maintaining throttle is actually 'smoother' because there is no harsh transition between the braking force and accelerative force, when you roll off the brake you're already with the throttle and so balanced, truely smooth is being able to produce a curve that decelerates at corner entry and picks up smoothly at mid to exit with not noticeable edges. It's an art.

Applying the throttle more than once in a corner is typically slower and because of error, Senna didn't 'come on and off' the throttle in such a way, he'd be on the throttle whilst finishing braking (trail brake) particularly in the turbo days getting his turbine to spool up, not many practised this method because it's tricky, but no blipping occurred except in error or to counter an incorrect entry/angle.
 
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