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FrenchTart said:
One other thing... Moving builds or doing work to flatten land/etc is an extremely unlikely outcome compared to keeping a world and/or wiping stuff. Moving the pantheon is a possibility if we did wipe, I guess.
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That was the reasoning behind my ideas as the least amount of admin work (maxi (and the others)) and the least amount of admin upkeep (your side) the better.

I'm sure we remember the amount of time and effort that went into moving builds last time - and with a bigger playerbase this time... I think it's too easy for admins to spent literally hours/days playing with worldedit rather than actually have fun playing.

Obviously I'm making an assumption that moving just the pantheon isn't too much work.
 
the issue here is we dont know what can and can not be done.
We dont know what is being talked about between the admins.
i think you will find the server fairly split over what they want.

This is something that wont keep all players happy no matter what you do.
The stuff in 1.8 looks great. but a loss of 9 months of building is very hard to take
and the loss of all the mats collected.

I cant speak for others but i can Imagen how they would feel to loose all their stuff and start all over again. I think a compromise is what is needed. At lest with regards tools for players to restart with. It is like saying to a miner. we are going to move location but you dont get to use that digger any more you have to use this spade.
 
FrenchTart said:
Another thing (just to spam the thread more).

From what I understand there are probably major changes to the map generation in both 1.8 and 1.9 updates. Would people prefer a new world generated for 1.8 and then this new world wiped and regen'd for 1.9 or wait until 1.9 or...something else?
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For that option - so long as I get to keep my items/chests - I'd be happy for a 1.8 wipe and then a 1.9 map wipe as well.

Sorry for all my 2p's.
 
trixilux said:
Snap - I don't really want to loose my stuff that I spent ages gathering. That happened on Entrox/Scrapheap Server and it p*ssed me off big style

Edit: Plus it there any chance of having a good advance warning of when the map wipe is going to happen? Really upsetting to go on-line and realise that everything has vanished and the thing you have been thinking about building all day has gone
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There will be plenty of advanced warning - hence me starting a discussion about it rather than just deciding and forcing it on players :)
 
toString said:
For that option - so long as I get to keep my items/chests - I'd be happy for a 1.8 wipe and then a 1.9 map wipe as well.

Sorry for all my 2p's.
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It's absolutely fine. There is a lot to think about, which is part of why I tried to restart this conversation really :)

yrthilian said:
the issue here is we dont know what can and can not be done.
We dont know what is being talked about between the admins.
i think you will find the server fairly split over what they want.

This is something that wont keep all players happy no matter what you do.
The stuff in 1.8 looks great. but a loss of 9 months of building is very hard to take
and the loss of all the mats collected.

I cant speak for others but i can Imagen how they would feel to loose all their stuff and start all over again. I think a compromise is what is needed. At lest with regards tools for players to restart with. It is like saying to a miner. we are going to move location but you dont get to use that digger any more you have to use this spade.
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Yeah. I completely agree that there will be no way to keep everyone happy. I'm hoping that we can discuss theories and possibilities here in advance though and then go for an option that appeases everyone and doesn't cause too many admin/server management headaches :)
 
well i think we need to see what IS in 1.8 to see if it is worth the wipe too.
One thing i was thinking of FT and ok i dont know if it is something to be considered.

could you/admins not wipe out chunks all over the map in areas not used by players?
there are large areas that i can see not used and well if you wipe them and re-gen the area would that work for 1.8? or will we need a completely new map for it.
 
Will there potentially be another map wipe when the game is officially released?

If so, I would say its best to keep the old one going in some form. I am sure most will accept a map wipe at some point but the more map wipes, the more discouraging it will become. If Notch has said that maps from 1.8/9 onwards will be compatible with the full game, then I would say a map wipe now would make sense.

Personally I dont have masses of stuff, but there should be a mechanism for those with items to transfer them to the new world so they dont have to start from scratch.

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yrthilian said:
This is something that wont keep all players happy no matter what you do.
The stuff in 1.8 looks great. but a loss of 9 months of building is very hard to take
and the loss of all the mats collected.

I cant speak for others but i can Imagen how they would feel to loose all their stuff and start all over again. I think a compromise is what is needed. At lest with regards tools for players to restart with. It is like saying to a miner. we are going to move location but you dont get to use that digger any more you have to use this spade.
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I think this is something that needs to be available. The reason why I stopped playing on Entrox/Scrapheaps server was they just wiped and created a brand new world and everyone lost everything - that server lost a lot of players because of it.

I like this server and the players on it and I don't want to turn my back on minecraft again cause i feel at home here now.

Not bothered about my build particularly, but my chests I don't want to loose. I like the temporary portal idea to be honest - which ever is easiest for you guys to develop whilst keeping our stuff! :)
 
It's a tough one for the admins to decide on. I really want a 1.8/1.9 map but I absolutely don't want to lose my inventory. You (admins) can see how much I've mined just by looking in the chests in my shop (and I still have a load more items to put in there!).

If there was a wipe and no inventory items were copied across, like toString and yrthilian, I'd be very down-hearted :(. I'd probably stick to single player for a while.
 
I would suggest having a new 1.8 map and then just copying the Parthenon over and give each player 2 chests to store things for the move? That way we will have a new 1.8 map and some of our essienal stuff from our chests?

EDIT IDEA 2:

having a large flat land where everybody can have a seperate area and move that over?
 
As another of the less prolific members of the server I too wouldn't be bothered if the map got wiped, but yes it would be nice to keep some of the more rare items I've gathered. That or find a use for the half a dozen saddles I seem to have!

Though if we do get to save builds my vote goes to the servers most popular* pork based vending stall.






*by default
 
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FrenchTart said:
Moving the pantheon is a possibility if we did wipe, I guess.
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Like last time, this was handy as you could fill chests with what you wanted to bring over. I don't think that there should be a limit on the number of chests (there were more than enough in there last time I believe) but players need to be considerate in how many they use and what they bring over (tools & minerals as opposed to stacks of cobblestone and sand for example).
 
Can't we stick with the original plans until 2.0 (retail)?

That is, the current map becomes the "Old map" which you can easily get too via a portal and the main map becomes a 1.8 world with warnings about possible wipe come 1.9. During that time people will probably naturally migrate to the 1.8 map giving time for myself and the other admins (if willing) to start copying some of the complete build schematics ready for porting to the full retail map. Again copying might not be possible as for all we know the map generation code could be totally incompatible.
 
maxilive said:
Can't we stick with the original plans until 2.0 (retail)?

That is, the current map becomes the "Old map" which you can easily get too via a portal and the main map becomes a 1.8 world with warnings about possible wipe come 1.9. During that time people will probably naturally migrate to the 1.8 map giving time for myself and the other admins (if willing) to start copying some of the complete build schematics ready for porting to the full retail map. Again copying might not be possible as for all we know the map generation code could be totally incompatible.
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As a guess I assume FT is wondering if it's possible to just maintain 1 world and get away from the whole portal thing.
 
Just been thinking to myself about the new update and the discussion about what to do on the server...

I went on a friend of a friend server the other week, they had a mod for outlining co-ordinates for builds so people could not grief them.

If the mods could then use those co-ordinates and copy the builds and somehow store them we could get a fresh world started then players could find a nice spot and ask for the build to be moved over to that position.

Instead of the mod team having a major slog like last time the move could be done piece by piece when the player has found a nice spot for their old builds to live on the new world.
 
I don't really play much anymore but as a long-term players whose been through quite a few map wipes I actually find that the first few weeks after a map wipe are always the most fun. Building a community is what I enjoy, everyone exploring around, finding cool areas and showing them off.

For me, I think the main reason I stopped playing was that the game was getting too technical for me. It seemed like everything had been done already and there wasn't much point in playing.

My vote shouldn't really count for anything but I always find a server restart re-invigorates the server and brings in new players. What I didn't like about the last one was that buildings and items were kept from the previous map. I think if a restart is done everything should be started from fresh, 20 of us spawning in to a completely new map and exploring is always the best fun.

I don't think anything will ever beat the first time mobs were brought into the server, running around desperately trying to build tiny forts to keep them out, seeing people get swamped by creepers in the distance while trying to reach safety. That's what minecraft is about. I think that keeping the same map for too long just leads it to becoming stale.

Maybe the best of both worlds (pun intended) would be to have a second server with a new map where people like me can go and start from scratch. That way people who have put so much time into the current server won't feel like they're losing anything. I remember the first map reset everyone was raging over it but it all calmed down in a day or two when they realised that they had a completely new landscape to sculpt.
 
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