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eddiew · 29 Aug 2017 at 22:18

Yeah, Prime is kind of special in its ability to send current down every circuit in a cpu... it's definitely a worst case scenario. As yet, I've yet to see mine pass 50 in games, but it Primes at 67. Even priming on a single thread will push it to 50 - possibly because XFR kicks in and slams the volts up to 1.45 or so... On the whole, it's going to be interesting to see whether the X chips actually last through their warranties!

(That said, with a new era of competition in CPU space, who really expects to keep their new Ryzen for 3 years?)

Scougar · 30 Aug 2017 at 02:22

eddiew said:
Yeah, Prime is kind of special in its ability to send current down every circuit in a cpu... it's definitely a worst case scenario. As yet, I've yet to see mine pass 50 in games, but it Primes at 67. Even priming on a single thread will push it to 50 - possibly because XFR kicks in and slams the volts up to 1.45 or so... On the whole, it's going to be interesting to see whether the X chips actually last through their warranties!

(That said, with a new era of competition in CPU space, who really expects to keep their new Ryzen for 3 years?)

I expect it to last.

However. Will definitely be looking to upgrade once zen+ arrives as long as prices are still competitive.

Would also happily go Intel again if they provided the better chip at a price point.

eddiew · 30 Aug 2017 at 10:34

Peeps, any suggestions on getting the last 133mhz out of my ram? Currently got 2x16gb Trident Z @ 3066 C14 1T, which is actually pretty respectable, but I'd love to see them running at their rated 3200 just for aesthetics

I'm a bit clueless, so all I've done is enable XMP, then dial it down one notch. At full whack it bluescreens windows and fails to boot after that, so clearly more is needed :/

Also, do we know if there will ever be X370 mATX boards? Maybe in time for Zen+?

Hagar · 30 Aug 2017 at 12:19

eddiew said:
Peeps, any suggestions on getting the last 133mhz out of my ram? Currently got 2x16gb Trident Z @ 3066 C14 1T, which is actually pretty respectable, but I'd love to see them running at their rated 3200 just for aesthetics

I'm a bit clueless, so all I've done is enable XMP, then dial it down one notch. At full whack it bluescreens windows and fails to boot after that, so clearly more is needed :/

Also, do we know if there will ever be X370 mATX boards? Maybe in time for Zen+?

SOC 1.15V, Vmem at 1.37V or 1.4V, don't know after that.

chanjy · 30 Aug 2017 at 13:02

eddiew said:
Peeps, any suggestions on getting the last 133mhz out of my ram? Currently got 2x16gb Trident Z @ 3066 C14 1T, which is actually pretty respectable, but I'd love to see them running at their rated 3200 just for aesthetics

I'm a bit clueless, so all I've done is enable XMP, then dial it down one notch. At full whack it bluescreens windows and fails to boot after that, so clearly more is needed :/

Also, do we know if there will ever be X370 mATX boards? Maybe in time for Zen+?

You could try 2T? There will barely be any difference in performance I think

Edit: and... https://videocardz.net/mobo/maxsun-x370fe-turbo/

eddiew · 30 Aug 2017 at 13:37

chanjy said:
Edit: and... https://videocardz.net/mobo/maxsun-x370fe-turbo/

Never heard of this manufacturer :S It's also sharing a picture with the B350 boards, so I'm not convinced this exists

I'm sure there were SLI capable mATX boards a few years ago, not sure why we're denied them now...

opethdisciple · 30 Aug 2017 at 14:51

eddiew said:
Peeps, any suggestions on getting the last 133mhz out of my ram? Currently got 2x16gb Trident Z @ 3066 C14 1T, which is actually pretty respectable, but I'd love to see them running at their rated 3200 just for aesthetics

I'm a bit clueless, so all I've done is enable XMP, then dial it down one notch. At full whack it bluescreens windows and fails to boot after that, so clearly more is needed :/

Also, do we know if there will ever be X370 mATX boards? Maybe in time for Zen+?

nkata said:
SOC 1.15V, Vmem at 1.37V or 1.4V, don't know after that.

ProcODT is the other value.

I have 3200Mhz ram which wont boot at 3200Mhz. I do run it at 3066Mhz with SOC 1.1v, 1.4v dramvoltage and 60ohms ProcODT.

jaffveyda · 30 Aug 2017 at 14:52

eddiew said:
Never heard of this manufacturer :S It's also sharing a picture with the B350 boards, so I'm not convinced this exists

I'm sure there were SLI capable mATX boards a few years ago, not sure why we're denied them now...

I think Maxsun is Chinese manufacturer and their product are only available in China with OEM systems.

Scougar · 30 Aug 2017 at 17:40

@eddiew is your trident ram originally c16? If so it is apparently not b-die so unlikely to get to 3200mhz. I would download thaiphoon burner and check what ICs are on the memory.

There have been some Corsair modules at 3200 though, so there is hope. What voltage do you have on the dram?

bagleyboy · 30 Aug 2017 at 21:10

Bought a 1600 when ryzen 5 came out, hopefully it'll last for a long time. Don't plan to upgrade for another 5 years at least

Woden · 30 Aug 2017 at 22:45

so i accidentally killed my motherboard. since i am replacing I am looking to switch to a Ryzen, 'cos why not?

Is there a sweet-spot price/performance wise like there was when I last upgraded. Back then it was the i5-2500.

opethdisciple · 31 Aug 2017 at 00:15

Woden said:
so i accidentally killed my motherboard. since i am replacing I am looking to switch to a Ryzen, 'cos why not?

Is there a sweet-spot price/performance wise like there was when I last upgraded. Back then it was the i5-2500.

Two levels of sweet spot when it comes to Ryzen. The sweet spot 8 core is the 1700, the sweet spot for gaming is the 1600/1600x.

The benefit of the 1600/1600x is actually the faster clock speeds compared to the 1700 which makes it better for gaming in the short term until more games start to utilise those 8 cores.

Glanza · 31 Aug 2017 at 08:25

Woden said:
so i accidentally killed my motherboard. since i am replacing I am looking to switch to a Ryzen, 'cos why not?

Is there a sweet-spot price/performance wise like there was when I last upgraded. Back then it was the i5-2500.

Either of these currently, not sure what's going on with the pricing but it's been working out cheaper to buy this bundle then the parts separate the last week or so:

Get your Ryzen 1700 smashes 1800X performance bundles using the links below, the AsRock motherboard will be back in stock 7/04/17 so orders will be shipped then.

Asus
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/8pac...7-asus-bundle-amd-1700-3.90ghz-bu-00f-8p.html

AsRock
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/8pac...asrock-bundle-amd-1700-3.90ghz-bu-00h-8p.html

eddiew · 31 Aug 2017 at 10:47

Scougar said:
@eddiew is your trident ram originally c16? If so it is apparently not b-die so unlikely to get to 3200mhz. I would download thaiphoon burner and check what ICs are on the memory.

There have been some Corsair modules at 3200 though, so there is hope. What voltage do you have on the dram?

It's the 3200 c14 RGB flavour of Trident Z. Expensive, but I wanted to give this processor a good chance to stretch its legs

It's probably b-die, but it's definitely dual ranked, which does make things harder. Voltage is currently at its XMP setting of 1.35.

To be fair, 3066 rock solid stable is better than I expected with a 2x16 config, I just find it an ugly number and wish to round it off

oweneades · 31 Aug 2017 at 10:56

That's the thing with the RAM. The real world difference between 3066Mhz C14 and 3200Mhz C14 would be basically nil but.... argh, it isn't 3200Mhz C14...!

chanjy · 31 Aug 2017 at 13:27

eddiew said:
It's the 3200 c14 RGB flavour of Trident Z. Expensive, but I wanted to give this processor a good chance to stretch its legs It's probably b-die, but it's definitely dual ranked, which does make things harder. Voltage is currently at its XMP setting of 1.35.

To be fair, 3066 rock solid stable is better than I expected with a 2x16 config, I just find it an ugly number and wish to round it off

Reading this link here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/62vp2g/clearing_up_any_samsung_bdie_confusion_eg_on/

It does actually say:

Do note that Dual Rank RAM is faster than Single Rank. E.g. 2933 MHz Dual Rank is faster than 3200 MHz Single Rank.

So you're doing pretty well

eddiew · 31 Aug 2017 at 13:40

chanjy said:
So you're doing pretty well

Oh yeah, I was expecting to cap out at 2933, so 3066 is already above my original hopes - but having gotten so close with such little effort, I really want to see a nice round number xD

Not sure if dropping the command rate to 2T is the simplest answer, but that might sacrifice more than I gain with the frequency boost. Will see about tweaking some voltages up a touch.

Scougar · 31 Aug 2017 at 13:56

1.4v. then see how the ram does.

Ste · 31 Aug 2017 at 15:22

SOC to 1.1 - 1.125
VRAM to 1.4

Look to relax TRAS and tRC if it’s tight. Likewise tRFC. To test start with tRC at 75 and tRFC at 350. Tighten up if effective.

TRAS try relaxing to 38, so 14-14-14-14-38

eddiew · 31 Aug 2017 at 17:42

Ste said:
*technical wizardry*

Gave it a good go but alas, no joy. With those volts and timings, the first exit and restart works fine and I can get to Windows and test for a bit. Restart to tighten tRC... no post.

From there on, the post screen won't show (monitor doesn't power up / signal out of range), but about 1 in 3 cold starts will boot windows anyway (the heck?) and get to the login screen. However at that point, I'm totally locked out of the bios and only a CMOS clear will get me back in so... I'm too confused to continue fiddling, tbh, and I'm scared that eventually I'll push something that just out and out bricks it. I will just be happy with my 2x16 at 3066 c14

Also I couldn't even find the 1T/2T in my bios. Is it called something other than Command Rate?

In other news, I bought a case window, then realised I have to sit on the floor to see my RGB memory through it anyway. A day of many fails!

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