*** Official Ryzen Owners Thread ***

[Ste]

@humbug cold boots are real
@Ste yeah mate I suffer from those too, increasing the boot retry count to 4 helps me boot on the 3rd attempt, depending how cold my room is. Warm reboots are not an issue. This only happens at 3466, 3200 is fine.

Yeah on the old BIOS it would boot one in ten. Now it’s like 8 or 9 in ten so getting there.

3466 c14 is my aim. If that happens with minimal F9 I’ll be happy. Just passed 800% HCI. 1.45 RAM and 1.1625 SOC so will work on getting those down at some stage.

 

[gavinh87]

Yeah on the old BIOS it would boot one in ten. Now it’s like 8 or 9 in ten so getting there.

3466 c14 is my aim. If that happens with minimal F9 I’ll be happy. Just passed 800% HCI. 1.45 RAM and 1.1625 SOC so will work on getting those down at some stage.

No amount of tweaking settings will remove the training failures at 3466 mate. Ive spent hours trying to remove them, only for it to occur the next morning after its been turned off all night or had power removed from PSU.
I've noticed you have a gigabyte board too, so this puts the rumours that the ASUS board is at fault

I'm glad you've posted this, it proves my point I was trying to make yesterday with @humbug yet I was met with replies insinuating that my hardware was faulty

 

[Ste]

No amount of tweaking settings will remove the training failures at 3466 mate. Ive spent hours trying to remove them, only for it to occur the next morning after its been turned off all night or had power removed from PSU.
I've noticed you have a gigabyte board too, so this puts the rumours that the ASUS board is at fault

I'm glad you've posted this, it proves my point I was trying to make yesterday with @humbug yet I was met with replies insinuating that my hardware was faulty

Yeah I’m not sure of the degree to which it’s an AGESA thing vs. down to the board manufacturers. On F6 I would be 95% fine at 3333 and as I said lucky as hell to boot at 3466. It now appears better but will be interesting to see whether I can solve it or not. Suspect not but if I get 9/10 it’d do. Any less and I’m back to 3333.

The training is much better now though. I cold booted this morning without an F9 at 3466 and it’s coming up with sensible values instead of stupid ones when leaving secondaries on auto. tFAW trained this morning at a sensible 37 without F9 codes too which used to be a dead cert for issues with my board.

Will keep you posted.

 

[gavinh87]

Yeah I’m not sure of the degree to which it’s an AGESA thing vs. down to the board manufacturers. On F6 I would be 95% fine at 3333 and as I said lucky as hell to boot at 3466. It now appears better but will be interesting to see whether I can solve it or not. Suspect not but if I get 9/10 it’d do. Any less and I’m back to 3333.

The training is much better now though. I cold booted this morning without an F9 at 3466 and it’s coming up with sensible values instead of stupid ones when leaving secondaries on auto. tFAW trained this morning at a sensible 37 without F9 codes too which used to be a dead cert for issues with my board.

Will keep you posted.

Thanks mate.
If you get time, or if you cba. Try removing the PSU cable after its been on for a while. This has a 100% record of getting my memory to fail training.
To get around this, I boot into bios with default values and load the overclock profile and all is fine again.

 

[Ste]

Thanks mate.
If you get time, or if you cba. Try removing the PSU cable after its been on for a while. This has a 100% record of getting my memory to fail training.
To get around this, I boot into bios with default values and load the overclock profile and all is fine again.

I can do but that will almost certainly fail. With gigabyte boards you’ve got a reasonable chance of soft bricking the board just by unplugging the PSU. Heh.

For me success is no F9 on restart and rare (1 in 10 or so) on boot from ‘cold’ (PSU in standby).

 

[gavinh87]

I can do but that will almost certainly fail. With gigabyte boards you’ve got a reasonable chance of soft bricking the board just by unplugging the PSU. Heh.

For me success is no F9 on restart and rare (1 in 10 or so) on boot from ‘cold’ (PSU in standby).

Ah the quirks of ryzen
I'm a bit annoyed that things are moving forward as fast as I would like. Since 1.0.0.6 improvements for me at least have been NIL.
Then there are the boot times.....

 

[zoomee]

Got to the point I really need a fully working PC again!

Don't really have a budget but thought best to stick to AM4 and Ryzen 7.

Was thinking 1700x with a MSI X370 Gaming Pro CARBON,
For memory theres a set of Corsair thats 1.2v or somat specially for Ryzen? - was gunna get 2666Mhz stuff but can go up to 3000, the memory bugs all fixed?

Or for the rough same price can someone recommend a better setup? AMD all the way this time

Been out of the game so long - is it worth getting AMD 580 gpu or stick with Nvidia - don't want to spend more than 300 on a gfx card....

ta - Point of posting here is in case theres any 'issues' to be made aware of with this new platform pls?

 

[Ste]

There are 175 pages of issues with this platform

It’s largely smooth running now as long as you’re running stock or a moderate overclock on the CPU. Maxing the memory performance is where the challenges lie.

Samsung B die RAM if you can afford it. Generally 3200c14 stuff. Hynix will be slower by generally now easy for 2933 which is good enough if money is tight.

 

[gavinh87]

Got to the point I really need a fully working PC again!

Don't really have a budget but thought best to stick to AM4 and Ryzen 7.

Was thinking 1700x with a MSI X370 Gaming Pro CARBON,
For memory theres a set of Corsair thats 1.2v or somat specially for Ryzen? - was gunna get 2666Mhz stuff but can go up to 3000, the memory bugs all fixed?

Or for the rough same price can someone recommend a better setup? AMD all the way this time

Been out of the game so long - is it worth getting AMD 580 gpu or stick with Nvidia - don't want to spend more than 300 on a gfx card....

ta - Point of posting here is in case theres any 'issues' to be made aware of with this new platform pls?

For current games the 1600x might be a better choice. The 1700 brings nothing extra in games. If you do other stuff that uses all the cores then sure get the 1700x.
If not seriously overclocking you could save some money and get a b350 board. Memory, as said is where it gets tricky but if 3200 or below you should be ok.
My personal experience with MSI boards and ryzen and other stories i have read would have me looking at Asus or asrock personally.
Be prepared for bios updates

 

[nashathedog]

I had a brain wave last night, If my graphics card won't fit in the new case build the rig in the old case, so now I'm on the Ryzen rig but it keeps crashing every few minutes, I'm installing some Nvidia drivers to see if that's the issue, I'm not sure it will be though, I put the rig together installed Win 10 pro which was a major headache for some reason and then went in to the motherboards cd to get the LAN working to get online,

Uh oh the Nvidia drivers are not compatible with this version of Windows, I better update that first

 

[gavinh87]

I had a brain wave last night, If my graphics card won't fit in the new case build the rig in the old case, so now I'm on the Ryzen rig but it keeps crashing every few minutes, I'm installing some Nvidia drivers to see if that's the issue, I'm not sure it will be though, I put the rig together installed Win 10 pro which was a major headache for some reason and then went in to the motherboards cd to get the LAN working to get online,

Uh oh the Nvidia drivers are not compatible with this version of Windows, I better update that first

How is it crashing? What are you doing when it crashes? Are you overclocking?

 

[DarkHorizon472]

To give my experience, on the ch6 motherboard running 9920 bios and 8 pack 3200 memory I get 3466 c15 with no boot errors and for my needs is completely stable with no crashes at all. I used the stilt 3466 profile built into the bios and simply overclocked to 3.7 on the cpu with no special or complex settings, at 1.22v.

It will boot at 3600 but apps crash out under load after a while, windows is fine and no lockups but not reliable enough for any serious use. Accidentally booted it at 4.0 on the cpu once and shutdown quickly once I noticed.

 

[gavinh87]

To give my experience, on the ch6 motherboard running 9920 bios and 8 pack 3200 memory I get 3466 c15 with no boot errors and for my needs is completely stable with no crashes at all. I used the stilt 3466 profile built into the bios and simply overclocked to 3.7 on the cpu with no special or complex settings, at 1.22v.

It will boot at 3600 but apps crash out under load after a while, windows is fine and no lockups but not reliable enough for any serious use. Accidentally booted it at 4.0 on the cpu once and shutdown quickly once I noticed.

What happens when you remove power from the PSU?

 

[DarkHorizon472]

What happens when you remove power from the PSU?

Can't remember, it was powered off at the wall for a couple of weeks while we were away and I don't remember any problems but no idea to be honest.

If that is meant to be a problem I am not testing it

 

[gavinh87]

Haha, yes it is.
Best leave it alone lol

 

[DarkHorizon472]

 

[zoomee]

For current games the 1600x might be a better choice. The 1700 brings nothing extra in games. If you do other stuff that uses all the cores then sure get the 1700x.
If not seriously overclocking you could save some money and get a b350 board. Memory, as said is where it gets tricky but if 3200 or below you should be ok.
My personal experience with MSI boards and ryzen and other stories i have read would have me looking at Asus or asrock personally.
Be prepared for bios updates

Thanks chaps, just the sort of info I was after without having to read through 175 pages lol!
I need the extra cores so 1700X minimum. I don't do extreme overclocking so as long as its stable at 4Ghz I'll be kool with that.
It's the motherboard I'm bothered about though - I don't need the X350 platform as I never do dual gfx cards but the features on these boards I really want like USBC-3.1, NVme/M2, Intel NIC's aren't found on these usually are they?

I've always bought Asus ROG boards (prior to that it was always MSI) - but I refuse to buy Asus out of downright sheer vexness. The Black Edition board I last bought was the biggest waste of money ever with Asus abandoning it within months of release (X79 BE board). I've had ASRock in the past and they've been pretty decent too.

Are the real life gains worth it for memory fine tuning? I always found they were too minimal to warrant the effort.

 

[gavinh87]

Thanks chaps, just the sort of info I was after without having to read through 175 pages lol!
I need the extra cores so 1700X minimum. I don't do extreme overclocking so as long as its stable at 4Ghz I'll be kool with that.
It's the motherboard I'm bothered about though - I don't need the X350 platform as I never do dual gfx cards but the features on these boards I really want like USBC-3.1, NVme/M2, Intel NIC's aren't found on these usually are they?

I've always bought Asus ROG boards (prior to that it was always MSI) - but I refuse to buy Asus out of downright sheer vexness. The Black Edition board I last bought was the biggest waste of money ever with Asus abandoning it within months of release (X79 BE board). I've had ASRock in the past and they've been pretty decent too.

Are the real life gains worth it for memory fine tuning? I always found they were too minimal to warrant the effort.

4.0 is a little optimistic, 3.8/3.9 is the norm.
Ram does help a lot on ryzen compared to intel.

 

[DarkHorizon472]

With Ryzen for memory ideally you want 3000 or better actual speed, lower speeds than this especially lower down at 2133 affect performance and the price premium for quality b die ram is not too bad depending on your budget.

 

[jigger]

The X chips seem to hit a little higher. 4.3Ghz for an 1800X seems to be the very best Ryzen is capable of with sane levels of cooling, though it seems you have less chance of a big memory OC when really pushing clockspeeds so.