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*** Official Ryzen Owners Thread ***
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Soldato
Does it boot up or are you talking about poor speeds?
All sorts of unstable... Have managed to get into Windows (sometimes), but did not last long before locking up.
Seemed OK with two sticks at a time, but didn't try that configuration for long.
That's the problem with having so little time to muck about with these sorts of things.
Not even trying to oc right now. It defaults to 2400.
Just getting a bit tired of the incredibly poor memory support. No combination I have tried has worked well.
Seemed OK with two sticks at a time, but didn't try that configuration for long.
That's the problem with having so little time to muck about with these sorts of things.
Not even trying to oc right now. It defaults to 2400.
Just getting a bit tired of the incredibly poor memory support. No combination I have tried has worked well.
I have it all built, just didn't have time to turn it on. Will get to this tomorrow and let you know what I think.
I'll add mine, though late. Built it last week.
1700x @ 3.9
ax370 K7 MB
HyperX 3200 16Gb kit
Have a pic with the LED's on too for those interested if you wish
Looks great
Would definitely be interested in seeing the LEDs.
Soldato
Tried the usual stuff higher dram voltage and looser timings?
Can adding another M2 drive cause a OC to become unstable? I had no problem with 4ghz at 1.4v but I've lately put another M2 into my motherboard and all of a sudden my CPU will crash on cinebench, Tried upto 1.425v and would still crash, It's completey lost its 4ghz glory now and it's kinda annoying me. Was fine and now ded.
Don
Might be more load or something on the PCIE bus causing instability that way.
Soldato
I wouldn't say so. How do you know your CPU was stable before?
No issue here, which NVME drive?
100mhz wont kill me.
Associate
Hi new to this forum.
I pre-ordered a whole list of parts for a new RYZEN build. Unlike many all parts was in stock. I have been following all the posts on this site and all the other tech/OC site's. Thought I would wait to post after I have done all my testing ,and after getting the better BIOS updates.
My Build.
Case. AntecP9 Full tower Case.
R1700.
Tomahawk B350. Bios V3.2 installed. (have 3.3 on file)
RAM. Corsair Vengeance LPX (Manufacturer code: CMK16GX4M2A2666C16 ) 2x8GB 2666.
PSU. 650W Corsair VS Series VS650, 80 PLUS White.
Storage 256GB Samsung PM961 Polaris M.2 NVMe (22x80) PCIe 3.0 (x4) SSD and one HDD (from my previous PC) WD Blue 1TB
GPU. Sapphire RX480 8GB ref. Again from my previous PC.
Case extras 1 x 120mm Phanteks PH-F120SP, 1300RPM Premium Fan White/Black with Blue LED. 2 x Noctua NF-S12B REDUX PWM 1200RPM 120mm Quiet Case Fan.
Total cost of build £786.44 for all the new parts.
I have chosen Air cooled as my system will rarely be stressed. It will mainly be used for Music making, a little gaming and general various multitasking activities. Though it is a little overkill I like to when I build a System to "FUTURE PROOF" as much as one can with any PC or tech. Multicore is the future IMHO and always nice to not worry about having to shut some things down to start another programme . This is not an issue with this new AMD offering. I have never used Intel my 3 previous set ups was all AMD and they all served me well average of 7 years a system (All built at time of big improvements in chip design such as 4 cores ). That's the history done with.
Like I said at intro I have been following all the Ryzen threads in this site so I am quite acquainted with all of your journeys to get your systems running and over coming the Early 1st generational Hiccups.
After putting my Build together It fired up and booted right away. I changed the Bios right away. Installed a clean win 10 install on my NVME. Changed NVME drivers to the Samsung 2.1 release ( more efficient and faster than the supplied windows drivers) . Like everyone else Ram stuck at default 2133 speed . tried to get higher but the bios wasn't having any of it, I expected such and waited for Bios to improve. I also waited for a decent Bios before I bothered playing with any CPU speeds etc.
After Bios V1.21 (Beta) I could get my memory to run at 2666 (A-XMP worked ) I have tried for higher speeds but as my Sticks are not single Die B Samsung I knew it probably wouldn't still I am getting the speed I paid for so no complaints. OC ram will happen after the AGESA codes get implemented into the later BIOS updates.
Now it was time to play. As Performance on the Ryzen's is related to RAM speeds I never bothered doing any bench marks or stress testing till my system was running at my specific design parameters. I also thought it no point me posting until I had a stable system and Know what I post is valid. ( I have valid CPUZ, 3DMARK Aida ,Prime tests run and posted )
I have found for me a sweet spot . R1700 @3.865Mhz @ 1.28 Volts temp at idle 29-30C, under Load stress testing Temps stays at 57.5 to 58 C (using current / new Aida/ HWinfo to monitor and both match exactly)
VRM's There has been talk about VRM capabilities between boards and how many such a board has. For sure the higher end boards have higher rated VRM's. I have monitored closely the temperature's of the VRM's on this board when being stressed.
CPU VRMs stabilised at 60C (max) and 26C the Tomahawk has decent enough heat sinks for use and with my airflow over them I have no concerns about over stressed or over heating VRM's in everyday usage they operate at 45C & 23C.
I have found the Tomahawk to be a solid and trouble free MOBO. It has all the features I require the BIOS support has been better than I expected TBH. this review kind of sums it up.
Tomahawk Review: https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/msi_b350_tomahawk_am4_motherboard_review/1
The Frequency for The CPU I have tried variations but this is where I get the speed, the low voltage (keeps temps on low side) and still get core parking when not under load. I haven't tried for the limit at 4+Mhz As it plain that there is a Voltage / frequency cliff for these 14Nm Fin Fet chips with thermal overruns that makes it not worth the effort for 200Mhz more at risk of over temps and instabilities especially as I have chosen AIR as my cooling medium. Talking of which the Stock Wraith cooler performs excellently. When I chose my Case I looked for plenty of fan placements. My case has positions for 6 main case + 2 on the HDD cages. I configured the fans like this. For the Top 2, I placed the Noctua 120 PWM's which I tied into the CPU temp curve. Set to assist the wraith and to blow over the VRM's. with lots of fine tuning this configuration works flawlessly and at idle they both tick along at about 500-600 Rpm. Getting their speed just right so as not to interfere with the Wraiths air flow yet still blow over the outer fins of its Cooler to assist carrying the heat to the rear exhaust fan. The case came supplied with 3 120mm Fans (DC) and 2 fan control switches (fast/low) speed settings .I have the rear on 1 switch and the 2 front 120 MM and the bottom Placed Phanteks linked to the other switch. In normal use I never have to touch these . The front fans blow over the NVME sitting under the RX480 and the bottom fan supplies fresh Air for the RX480 which stays at a very low operating temp.
I think few people consider Air flow properly It took me 3 days of messing with fan speeds in the Bios till I achieved the correct operating curves and temps. Oh BTW each fan on the case has a sliding removable filter a nice touch including for the fan intake on the PSU).
Talking of which my calculations determined that 650-700W would be ample including additional additions to the set up in the future. Single rail @59 Amps means that at approx. 300W in usage there is head room and the PSU will not be stressed.
So am I happy with my New Build ? was it worth it getting a Ryzen ? Yes indeed so gaming is smooth why people worry about anything above 100FPS which I doubt that many could really SEE the difference with a good monitor oh yes I had an existing 144hz freesync monitor. As for the sound on these ALC chips on the Tomahawk they are surprisingly good I cancelled my order for a sound card as it is better than I thought it would be.
Sorry for the long post just thought I would share and that I may help others deciding upon a new Build what factors they may consider. When memory prices come down some time in 2018 (they wont for this year) then I would like to get 3400 speed as you all must be aware anything above 2400 is in SPec an Over clocked RAM so anything above is a bonus. I have mine set at 14-16-16-34. I will put this link to show my Build. It is not fancy but it is solid has scope for many upgrades " SSD slots behind Mother board which I will populate later on.
Photos and description and prices paid for parts https://imgur.com/a/yjY6X
Message for Easyrider
..No I have not run Prime for 24 hours. 1 week of stress testing in many different ways has found instabilitiesin My system and have been addressed and retested to my satisfaction. No one test proves anything ( including prime ) you have to test all the various chip set features, as well as RAM,GPU and Mother board to find the Odd permutations that each particular configuration of Mother board, CPU, GPU & Ram will throw up. Yes I have seen his harassments of others who have been happy with their own personal testing procedures
.
I pre-ordered a whole list of parts for a new RYZEN build. Unlike many all parts was in stock. I have been following all the posts on this site and all the other tech/OC site's. Thought I would wait to post after I have done all my testing ,and after getting the better BIOS updates.
My Build.
Case. AntecP9 Full tower Case.
R1700.
Tomahawk B350. Bios V3.2 installed. (have 3.3 on file)
RAM. Corsair Vengeance LPX (Manufacturer code: CMK16GX4M2A2666C16 ) 2x8GB 2666.
PSU. 650W Corsair VS Series VS650, 80 PLUS White.
Storage 256GB Samsung PM961 Polaris M.2 NVMe (22x80) PCIe 3.0 (x4) SSD and one HDD (from my previous PC) WD Blue 1TB
GPU. Sapphire RX480 8GB ref. Again from my previous PC.
Case extras 1 x 120mm Phanteks PH-F120SP, 1300RPM Premium Fan White/Black with Blue LED. 2 x Noctua NF-S12B REDUX PWM 1200RPM 120mm Quiet Case Fan.
Total cost of build £786.44 for all the new parts.
I have chosen Air cooled as my system will rarely be stressed. It will mainly be used for Music making, a little gaming and general various multitasking activities. Though it is a little overkill I like to when I build a System to "FUTURE PROOF" as much as one can with any PC or tech. Multicore is the future IMHO and always nice to not worry about having to shut some things down to start another programme . This is not an issue with this new AMD offering. I have never used Intel my 3 previous set ups was all AMD and they all served me well average of 7 years a system (All built at time of big improvements in chip design such as 4 cores ). That's the history done with.
Like I said at intro I have been following all the Ryzen threads in this site so I am quite acquainted with all of your journeys to get your systems running and over coming the Early 1st generational Hiccups.
After putting my Build together It fired up and booted right away. I changed the Bios right away. Installed a clean win 10 install on my NVME. Changed NVME drivers to the Samsung 2.1 release ( more efficient and faster than the supplied windows drivers) . Like everyone else Ram stuck at default 2133 speed . tried to get higher but the bios wasn't having any of it, I expected such and waited for Bios to improve. I also waited for a decent Bios before I bothered playing with any CPU speeds etc.
After Bios V1.21 (Beta) I could get my memory to run at 2666 (A-XMP worked ) I have tried for higher speeds but as my Sticks are not single Die B Samsung I knew it probably wouldn't still I am getting the speed I paid for so no complaints. OC ram will happen after the AGESA codes get implemented into the later BIOS updates.
Now it was time to play. As Performance on the Ryzen's is related to RAM speeds I never bothered doing any bench marks or stress testing till my system was running at my specific design parameters. I also thought it no point me posting until I had a stable system and Know what I post is valid. ( I have valid CPUZ, 3DMARK Aida ,Prime tests run and posted )
I have found for me a sweet spot . R1700 @3.865Mhz @ 1.28 Volts temp at idle 29-30C, under Load stress testing Temps stays at 57.5 to 58 C (using current / new Aida/ HWinfo to monitor and both match exactly)
VRM's There has been talk about VRM capabilities between boards and how many such a board has. For sure the higher end boards have higher rated VRM's. I have monitored closely the temperature's of the VRM's on this board when being stressed.
CPU VRMs stabilised at 60C (max) and 26C the Tomahawk has decent enough heat sinks for use and with my airflow over them I have no concerns about over stressed or over heating VRM's in everyday usage they operate at 45C & 23C.
I have found the Tomahawk to be a solid and trouble free MOBO. It has all the features I require the BIOS support has been better than I expected TBH. this review kind of sums it up.
Tomahawk Review: https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/msi_b350_tomahawk_am4_motherboard_review/1
The Frequency for The CPU I have tried variations but this is where I get the speed, the low voltage (keeps temps on low side) and still get core parking when not under load. I haven't tried for the limit at 4+Mhz As it plain that there is a Voltage / frequency cliff for these 14Nm Fin Fet chips with thermal overruns that makes it not worth the effort for 200Mhz more at risk of over temps and instabilities especially as I have chosen AIR as my cooling medium. Talking of which the Stock Wraith cooler performs excellently. When I chose my Case I looked for plenty of fan placements. My case has positions for 6 main case + 2 on the HDD cages. I configured the fans like this. For the Top 2, I placed the Noctua 120 PWM's which I tied into the CPU temp curve. Set to assist the wraith and to blow over the VRM's. with lots of fine tuning this configuration works flawlessly and at idle they both tick along at about 500-600 Rpm. Getting their speed just right so as not to interfere with the Wraiths air flow yet still blow over the outer fins of its Cooler to assist carrying the heat to the rear exhaust fan. The case came supplied with 3 120mm Fans (DC) and 2 fan control switches (fast/low) speed settings .I have the rear on 1 switch and the 2 front 120 MM and the bottom Placed Phanteks linked to the other switch. In normal use I never have to touch these . The front fans blow over the NVME sitting under the RX480 and the bottom fan supplies fresh Air for the RX480 which stays at a very low operating temp.
I think few people consider Air flow properly It took me 3 days of messing with fan speeds in the Bios till I achieved the correct operating curves and temps. Oh BTW each fan on the case has a sliding removable filter a nice touch including for the fan intake on the PSU).
Talking of which my calculations determined that 650-700W would be ample including additional additions to the set up in the future. Single rail @59 Amps means that at approx. 300W in usage there is head room and the PSU will not be stressed.
So am I happy with my New Build ? was it worth it getting a Ryzen ? Yes indeed so gaming is smooth why people worry about anything above 100FPS which I doubt that many could really SEE the difference with a good monitor oh yes I had an existing 144hz freesync monitor. As for the sound on these ALC chips on the Tomahawk they are surprisingly good I cancelled my order for a sound card as it is better than I thought it would be.
Sorry for the long post just thought I would share and that I may help others deciding upon a new Build what factors they may consider. When memory prices come down some time in 2018 (they wont for this year) then I would like to get 3400 speed as you all must be aware anything above 2400 is in SPec an Over clocked RAM so anything above is a bonus. I have mine set at 14-16-16-34. I will put this link to show my Build. It is not fancy but it is solid has scope for many upgrades " SSD slots behind Mother board which I will populate later on.
Photos and description and prices paid for parts https://imgur.com/a/yjY6X
Message for Easyrider
..No I have not run Prime for 24 hours. 1 week of stress testing in many different ways has found instabilitiesin My system and have been addressed and retested to my satisfaction. No one test proves anything ( including prime ) you have to test all the various chip set features, as well as RAM,GPU and Mother board to find the Odd permutations that each particular configuration of Mother board, CPU, GPU & Ram will throw up. Yes I have seen his harassments of others who have been happy with their own personal testing procedures
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Soldato
Welcome to the forum. A wonderfully succinct build entry. Really enjoyed reading about your build, especially as I am considering the Tomahawk myself (in white lol).
Associate
Well Thanks Scougar.
I was worried it was too long. For what it is worth Choose your Mother board for what features you require I spent 2 days oohing and arrrring (pre release) comparing specs between 4 B350 boards. I had no intention of Over clocking for records yet wanted enough abilities to OC enough to get the best from a RYZEN CPU. unless you want serious Over clocking at the edge abilities 2xPCIex16 for crossfiring 2 GPU's (tomahawk will crossfire but at 2x8 when other PCIe is used) then its an X350 chip set your want. I wanted an NVME slot 6 Sata ports more than enough for me. Only real reason to go for say the Gigabyte at same price is I believe the Realtek audio chip they use is the higher spec one. Reading around the tomahawk appears to have far less issues then other B350 boards overall ( I could be wrong). I am sure if you did decide to get one you wont be disappointed.
I was worried it was too long. For what it is worth Choose your Mother board for what features you require I spent 2 days oohing and arrrring (pre release) comparing specs between 4 B350 boards. I had no intention of Over clocking for records yet wanted enough abilities to OC enough to get the best from a RYZEN CPU. unless you want serious Over clocking at the edge abilities 2xPCIex16 for crossfiring 2 GPU's (tomahawk will crossfire but at 2x8 when other PCIe is used) then its an X350 chip set your want. I wanted an NVME slot 6 Sata ports more than enough for me. Only real reason to go for say the Gigabyte at same price is I believe the Realtek audio chip they use is the higher spec one. Reading around the tomahawk appears to have far less issues then other B350 boards overall ( I could be wrong). I am sure if you did decide to get one you wont be disappointed.
Yeah. Put voltages higher than they should ever need to be.
Upped phase control, etc.
Got into Windows with one bunch of settings that hung in windows. Did nothing but loosen timings more, and then couldn't post even.
Just utterly random. I don't even know if it's worth testing them in sticks of two, cause if I can't get them working together, there is no point.
Associate
MSI B350M Tomahawk new BIOS 1.33 is out.
Soldato
I'm sure at some point you'll get them all working together. Maybe try 2 then the other 2 to rule out any problems with the memory itself?
Yeah, will have to try somehow . It's just time consuming, and I don't get a lot of that :/
I did try independent briefly, but maybe not long enough to know for sure.
Plus, will have to disconnect cpu block and use wraith while doing this as how have hooked up my loop makes it difficult to access the ram slots
Soldato
Yeah, will have to try somehow . It's just time consuming, and I don't get a lot of that :/
I did try independent briefly, but maybe not long enough to know for sure.
Plus, will have to disconnect cpu block and use wraith while doing this as how have hooked up my loop makes it difficult to access the ram slots
That sucks, I hope you get it sorted pal.