** Official ** Summer 2010 Transfer Thread - Signings, Sightings and Rumor's in Here

[jakeke]

He's already said he doesn't want to move, given the season Inter had last year I can't see why he would want to really

 

[Tom84]

Hargreaves out for the start of the season!

Will he ever play again?

Owen Hargreaves has today been ruled out of United's pre-season tour.

Sir Alex Ferguson told MUTV: "The bad news is that Owen Hargreaves is back in America seeing the specialist. He won't be ready for the start of the season. I don't know when he'll be back."

The midfielder was sidelined between September 2008 and April 2010 and required surgery on both knees but did return to action at the end of last season. He played 45 minutes for the Reserves before making a brief appearance off the bench in the first-team's final away fixture at Sunderland.

There’s plenty of positive news for United fans, though, with the boss confirming three key men should recover from injury in time to line up for the start of the season.

“Antonio Valencia should be okay and Nani should be ready for the start of the season, too. Michael Owen is doing great – he’s doing all his work in the gymnasium every day. I don’t think he’ll be fit to go to America but he should be ready for the start of the season.”

The boss also revealed Rio Ferdinand faces a battle to be fit for the Reds’ first league test, at home to Newcastle United on Monday 16 August, although admitted it will be a race that’s run close.

“It depends on how his progress is over the next few weeks,” he said.

Meanwhile, Brazilian midfielder Anderson remains on track to return from a cruciate knee injury in late September.

“He’s doing fine, he’s working hard, but it will be late September.”

 

[Greenlizard0]

Pity, always thought he was a very good technical midfielder he's always out injured. I expect Wenger to sign him imminently.

 

[Robbo]

Pity, always thought he was a very good technical midfielder he's always out injured. I expect Wenger to sign him imminently.

Ah yes, he'd fit right in

 

[Loki]

You do talk a load of arse

carrick was never at the top of his game. he has looked slow, laboured and unable to come to terms with life at man utd.. like i say we are forced to play 3 centre midfielders when he plays to make up for his lack of pace, or tackling ability. and his passing isn as great as he would have you believe either!

We are not forced to play 3 central midfielders, in case you haven't noticed three out of the four teams contesting the world cup semi finals play 3 central midfielders. Maybe you can't get an appreciation of that on football manager

he WAS lucky to sign ronaldo. its only because we happened to play them in a pre season friendly and then Giggs and other senior players badgered fergie into signing him because he completely outskilled all of our players...infact aresenal were wanting him but because we had a mutual agreement with sporting at the time we were able to leverage this and buy him first.

now is that luck or a fantastically scouted signing by fergie?

Contradict yourself much ? Why do you think we struck up this partnership with Lisbon if it wasn't to tap into their talent at the time. Are you seriously thinking that after the match Giggsy the conversation went something like.

Giggsy - "Hey Gaffer that Ronaldo was a bit of alright, tore Gaz Nev a new butt hole a few times, I reckon we should sign him"

Fergie "Aye Ryan great idea, get me David Gill on the phone"

Fergie "David, how much you got left on the company credit card, the lads loved that Ronaldo kid and want us to sign him tonight...................................£12m..........................................**** It go on then................................."

Fergie "Ryan, you got your card with you, David Gill reckons his chip n pin won't work"

Giggsy "That old chestnut"

wrong to buy an injury prone player who just got majorly injured? probably yes, his future returns in terms of appearances for UTD back this up entirely.

hargreaves has a total of 26 appearances plus a sub in 3 years....

Prior to signing for Utd he was relatively injury free until his last season at Bayern. Tendonitis was and is relatively easy to treat. Oh and if you want to start spouting about injury prone players, at least balance it up a bit.

Ruud Van Nistelrooy, ACL Injury before joining us, 150 games 95 goals between 2001 & 2006 including one season pretty much injured. Jog On

yea but somehow Inter didnt think he was so terrible and were willing to spend 12mill for him...

As said many times before by many many people, hindsight and all that. If you could predict Wesley Sneijder who cost Real Madrid 27m Euros would be sold for 12m Euros within 12 months, would go on to win the treble in Italy and play in the WC final then bugger me you got skills. If he was so good then why didn't Real keep hold of him ????

 

[FrankJH]

Even if you had bid for him and the owners accepted that bid why would he want to move? Given how good Inter have become over the last few years it would be a step backwards.

that wasnt the point I was trying to make - all I said was that Utd had bid for him, which was disagreed with by Tom

I said the same as you a couple of pages back


Literally last week I heard that OH's original surgeon, Dr Steadman I think, stated his knees were recovering well, so SAF's statement is particularly strange imo. Unless its just to remove any pressure from OH........

Also a bit bizarre that if his knees were so bad, why was he even on the bench for a couple of matches last season.....

Ah yes, he'd fit right in

With a lot of french players !!! lol (Mind you he is 1/2 Canadian....not sure if its the French bit though) lol

 

[atpbx]

Hargreaves missing the start of the season shocker!

If I could find my post saying he will never play again from the end of the 2009 season I would quote it.

So now its not just a necessity to sign a midfielder its absolutely top priority above everything else.
The club currently has 3 fit central midfielders, one is a pensioner one is so out of form its untrue and the other one is entirely useless.

 

[syke]

one is so out of form its untrue and the other one is entirely useless.

Trying to think who's who...they can be either!

 

[Loki]

Trying to think who's who...they can be either!

I find it amazing one is so out of form before pre-season even begins, yet another one with that amazing crystal ball

 

[Stag]

If he was so good then why didn't Real keep hold of him ????

One word, 'Kaka'.

 

[syke]

I find it amazing one is so out of form before pre-season even begins, yet another one with that amazing crystal ball

Ha, yep.

Be surprised if Fergie does make a 'major' signing, did find it surprising when he actually tried to sign Villa (well, not sure how much he tried) but considering the fee involved, must have something to spend if he needs it?

 

[Robbo]

Ha, yep.

Be surprised if Fergie does make a 'major' signing, did find it surprising when he actually tried to sign Villa (well, not sure how much he tried) but considering the fee involved, must have something to spend if he needs it?

Yeah, and he does need it

 

[BaZ87]

Jovanovic has officially signed for us:

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/jovanovic-pens-three-year-deal

Looks like a handy player and more than a replacement for Benayoun imo.

 

[tsinc80697]

Jovanovic has officially signed for us:

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/jovanovic-pens-three-year-deal

Looks like a handy player and more than a replacement for Benayoun imo.

Didn't think he was the same type of player?

 

[drunkenmaster]

Even if you had bid for him and the owners accepted that bid why would he want to move? Given how good Inter have become over the last few years it would be a step backwards.

Inter went backwards this year anyway, they lost their manager, they got a far far worse manager to replace him, and Ranieri almost turned Roma completely around in no time to almost clinch the title, frankly Inter, with potentially a couple players leaving, infact very likely as Mourinho seems to want to take half the squad, he'll no doubt get one or two over.

Personally I think Inter will suffer new manager wanting to do things differently aswell as losing a couple key players, Roma improving dramatically, its most likely Roma's title this season coming and I can't see the negative tactics and the flukey early goal working 2 seasons in a row in a champs league semi, we'll see though.

As for Madrid, with a pretty awful defence, one useless striker, a completely awful kaka they almost took the title back off Barca, this season, better manager, a few more key players, likely defensive changes, maybe Mourinho getting the best out of Kaka or Kaka being dropped, Benzema maybe off, Real almost took the title and will only improve. Barca have had most of their best players for many years, also when they were losing the title to Real who had a worse team than they do now.

Nothings really out of the question, but the fact is that its a JOB, titles a nice but theres a lot of living to be done outside of football, considering you get paid more to live somewhere nicer, theres not a huge reason to sign for Utd over any top Euro club, of course when a top Italian/Spanish side isn't asking you to play for them, UTd/Arsenal/Chelsea are good options for a few years.

 

[BaZ87]

Different style of player but plays the same positions more or less.

 

[atpbx]

I find it amazing one is so out of form before pre-season even begins, yet another one with that amazing crystal ball

Well he was garbage all last season, do you take a punt on the fact he will regain his form straight away? cause he is going to have to hit the ground running.
PS I for got about fletcher, so we have one fit midfielder who is actually fit for purpose.

Anderson wont make the start of the season.
Hargreaves out for the start of the season.
Carrick is he going to be ok? his own manager says he takes a while to warm up and doesnt hit form till a few games in, he didnt hit form at all last year.
Gibson, what does he do? he can kick a ball very hard, thats it.

Scholes, another year older, a player who was all but retired at the end of last season and has has to be coaxed to stay on.

Can the team afford to start with no legs and no real creativity and power in midfield AGAIN?
Is fergie going to rely on nothing more than kicking the ball in waynes general direction all year and hoping he can do something with it?

Looks very much like it.

My crystal ball was mostly accurate last year, I said at the start of the season we were short in defence, goal, midfield and up front, and all last season they were.
I said Foster would be binned, and he was.
I said Berbatov would be hopeless and he has been.

You seem to be one of these people who think that because someone has kicked a ball for a living suddenly becomes untouchable and its unthinkable that someone outside of "the game" can possibly have a valid opinion.

Well the very fact that the greatest ever world cup team was managed by a journalist and the current best manager in the world has never taken to the field in anger kind of disproves that theory.

 

[dannyjo22]

I agree entirely mate but by that rational Real Madrid should have dominated it for years.

Not really because you built teams of players that while not 'galactico' standard but worked hard and well for each other. Especially in the late 90's early 00's a team that just never gave up.

Madrid never had that work ethic or out right desire, which is why I think Fergie should have atleast won back to back titles with Manu.

Thats not to say he hasn't done a great job, but even as an observer I've felt frustrated with the manner of some of the CL exits of Manu with the unit of players they had.

 

[Gooner14]

Sol to Sunderland then.

 

[Loki]

Well he was garbage all last season, do you take a punt on the fact he will regain his form straight away? cause he is going to have to hit the ground running.
PS I for got about fletcher, so we have one fit midfielder who is actually fit for purpose.

I will be the first one to say that Carrick by and large was toilet last season. Nowhere in this thread or any other thread last season will you see me defending him. He has lost his edge and drive and you can see that Fergie does not fancy him

Anderson wont make the start of the season.
Hargreaves out for the start of the season.
Carrick is he going to be ok? his own manager says he takes a while to warm up and doesnt hit form till a few games in, he didnt hit form at all last year.
Gibson, what does he do? he can kick a ball very hard, thats it.

Scholes, another year older, a player who was all but retired at the end of last season and has has to be coaxed to stay on.

Can the team afford to start with no legs and no real creativity and power in midfield AGAIN?

Again your getting your knickers in a twist about nothing. Look through my posts and again I will be one of the first ones to say that we need something to make it happen in the final 3rd of the field. Gibson is not world class by any stretch of the imagination but he brings a certain amount of running to the team and will get better with age. Or do you seriously think that training with the likes of Giggs and Scholes wont have a positive influence on his game.

Nobody is saying we don't need to get better than last year, far from it

Is fergie going to rely on nothing more than kicking the ball in waynes general direction all year and hoping he can do something with it?
Looks very much like it.

Well if you want to generalise like that then I really do hope he does get the ball into the general direction of Rooney who one would hope is generally playing upfield so he has a greater general chance of scoring. Instead talking sensationalist BS take some time to study football and understand the game

My crystal ball was mostly accurate last year, I said at the start of the season we were short in defence, goal, midfield and up front, and all last season they were.
I said Foster would be binned, and he was.
I said Berbatov would be hopeless and he has been.

Mate seriously don't be breaking your own arm patting yourself on the back with the Deryck Acorah BS. We can all make generalisation to make us sound like experts but get to some specifics and people may take some of what you say with a some credibility rather than a rather large pinch of salt. Week in week out, Berbas this, Fosters, Giggs is the other. The team need 4 new defenders, 4 new midfielders and 2 new forwards. Last season we were 2nd highest scorers and the best defence. The problem was the spread of goals. Your argument statistically and consistently fails.

You seem to be one of these people who think that because someone has kicked a ball for a living suddenly becomes untouchable and its unthinkable that someone outside of "the game" can possibly have a valid opinion.

Another aptbx generalisation if I ever saw one. If a player is pulling on the shirt and not giving 100% then yes he deserves some stick. Maybe it's me maybe its how I was brought up i dunno. I was a match going red home and away for many a year. Win or loose support the boys as long as they gave 100%. That was from being a young lad watching some of the crap served up by Atkinson to being privileged week in week out home and away watching players like Hughes, Robson, Cantona, Giggs, Keane and many great players who SAF has made better over the years.

I have also been fortunate enough to be in the company of a lot of great and not so great footballers who have moved into coaching like Stuart Pearce, Andy Cole, Steve Wiggley and many other to see the game from a coaches perspective

I just don't buy into this modern phenomenon of booing players and constantly getting on their back. In all honesty mate, Fans like you and Nickg really boil my **** because they really don't know how good you have had it. You listen to them clowns at Villa Park booing week in week out because they start the season well but fizzle out, Its like they think they have a devine right to win. Which is why your attitude rubs up so many Man Utd fans the wrong way. Probably why so many fans up and down the country hate Utd as well, we have no devine right to sign a player, no divine right to win anything despite what you think.

All the bloody time, all we hear is how lucky we are to win this, win that, how when we last won the prem and were runners up in the champions league we were so lucky to do it.

I am probably doing you a dis-service here because we have been terribly lucky over the last 20 or so years. So many trophies, so many good games and so many great players. Lets be fair, there are probably 90-91 other clubs who would love just one of them seasons to have on their honours list. So yes we have been lucky to see it, and lucky to be part of it.