** Official ** Summer 2010 Transfer Thread - Signings, Sightings and Rumor's in Here

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Shamikebab said:
I think Valencia was definitely one of the top wingers last season :confused: There were a couple others up there (Lennon not being one of them) but Valencia to have a season that good as his first at a new club with significantly higher expectations while trying to replace the World Player of the Year? Pretty damn impressive if you ask me.
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I didn't say he was poor, far from it. He done well but he was far from being the best winger in the league.

9 assists and 5 goals isn't that amazing for a winger these days. Out of him, Nani, Lennon, Young, Milner, Malouda and Bellamy (who played on the wing for City), he got the least assists (joint with Malouda) and only out scored Nani and Lennon despite playing at least 11 more games than either of them.
 
BaZ87 said:
Sorry but I think you don't know what you're talking about.

Valencia wasn't the best winger in the league last year, I'd guess even most Mancs would accept that. Coentrão is predominantly a winger, not a fullback and Benfica told Bayern they wanted over £25m for him.

There is no obvious top LB around that could be had for sensible money which leaves us with the choice of a solid player like Figueroa or taking a gamble on a youngster. Figueroa's a far better player than you're giving him credit for but that's you opinion, the idea that if you're not signing a top player, it says something about your ambitions is rubbish though.

Utd don't have a top RB or CM yet it doesn't seem like you're going to sign one, does that say something about Utd?

I'm not having a pop at Utd btw, I'm just trying to show you that it's not unusual for sides to have solid/steady players in certain positions and not superstars throughout the side.

edit: and the Cole part was because a week ago you were praising Hodgson's (even though he didn't make the choice) transfer strategy, yet now there's a problem with it. So which is it?
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Figueroa is ****in terrible compared to Evra.
 
BaZ87 said:
I didn't say he was poor, far from it. He done well but he was far from being the best winger in the league.

9 assists and 5 goals isn't that amazing for a winger these days. Out of him, Nani, Lennon, Young, Milner, Malouda and Bellamy (who played on the wing for City), he got the least assists (joint with Malouda) and only out scored Nani and Lennon despite playing at least 11 more games than either of them.
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I'd say he was quite a bit better than Lennon, Young, Nani. Milner played in the centre most of the time and Bellamy was a wide forward, not really the same position. I'd say either Malouda or Valencia were the best winger last season.
 
Shamikebab said:
I'd say he was quite a bit better than Lennon, Young, Nani. Milner played in the centre most of the time and Bellamy was a wide forward, not really the same position. I'd say either Malouda or Valencia were the best winger last season.
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I was in 2 minds over including Milner, he played the first few months of the season out wide then moved central but still played a bit out wide for the rest of the season. And don't give me that wide forward rubbish :p

Stat's aren't everything but the most important thing for wingers is their end product. Young scored and created more as did Bellamy, Malouda got the same amount of assists but a lot more goals, and both Nani and Lennon got an assist more and just 2 goals less despite playing far fewer games.

Imo, Malouda was far and away the best winger in the league last season and had Lennon not got injured then he'd have pushed him close. Valencia was no better than the rest imo.

I'm not saying Valencia had a poor season but he wasn't the best winger in the league. A solid first season but not a great deal more.
 
BaZ87 said:
There is no obvious top LB around that could be had for sensible money which leaves us with the choice of a solid player like Figueroa or taking a gamble on a youngster. Figueroa's a far better player than you're giving him credit for but that's you opinion, the idea that if you're not signing a top player, it says something about your ambitions is rubbish though.

Utd don't have a top RB or CM yet it doesn't seem like you're going to sign one, does that say something about Utd?

I'm not having a pop at Utd btw, I'm just trying to show you that it's not unusual for sides to have solid/steady players in certain positions and not superstars throughout the side.

edit: and the Cole part was because a week ago you were praising Hodgson's (even though he didn't make the choice) transfer strategy, yet now there's a problem with it. So which is it?
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Well I guess on the Figueroa point we'll just have to agree to disagree, IMO he's pretty average and Liverpool should be (and can) attract better players than him but we'll leave it there

As for us RB doesn't worry me with Rafael coming through and the likes of O'Shea, Brown and even Neville to bring in if the young lad is having a hard time I think we've got enough there. CM is a concern only if Carrick doesn't sort his act out and even with that as a mute point there's seemingly no one out there that SAF wants anyway (Ozil seems perfect if you ask me)

As for me praising Hodgson while I do believe he's the type of manager Liverpool need I was doing that to wind up the rafa lovers more than anything :p

Besides I get the feeling like you eluded to that Hodgson had nothing to do with the J.Cole transfer :)
 
Shamikebab said:
I'd say he was quite a bit better than Lennon, Young, Nani. Milner played in the centre most of the time and Bellamy was a wide forward, not really the same position. I'd say either Malouda or Valencia were the best winger last season.
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Totally agree, in regards to malouda I just can't ignore him doing nothing during the first half of the season whereas Valencia was superb throughout :)
 
Quite a few reports seem to confirm that we have reached an agreement with benfica for ramires. Only saw him a bit in the world cup and he looked decent but a bit reckless with the challenges! Can't really judge him on so few games though, at least he is young.

If torres wants to leave then I think his only option will be us but it would be a lot of money for a player who could then be injured...
 
Tom84 said:
Well I guess on the Figueroa point we'll just have to agree to disagree, IMO he's pretty average and Liverpool should be (and can) attract better players than him but we'll leave it there.
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If you can come up with somebody better and for sensible money then fair enough. As it stands, I can't think of anybody better that would be a realistic target.

As for the rest, I think you've missed the point. I have no interest in your RB or CM situation. I was just trying to explain that it's not unusual for sides to be content with a solid/steady player in a position if they're not in a position to sign a top player.
 
bibalasvegas said:
Quite a few reports seem to confirm that we have reached an agreement with benfica for ramires. Only saw him a bit in the world cup and he looked decent but a bit reckless with the challenges! Can't really judge him on so few games though, at least he is young.

If torres wants to leave then I think his only option will be us but it would be a lot of money for a player who could then be injured...
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Ramires is being highly spoken about. In the games vs Liverpool this season he looked very average, and he hardly impressed in his few games at the WC. He's only young though and he's got to have something about him to being spoken about like he is.

As for Torres joining Chelsea (or anybody), it's going to be extremely difficult. There's no urgency on our part to sell him and he's got plenty of time left on his contract. It's going to take a huge offer for us to be willing to let him go, something I'm not convinced Chelsea will be prepared to do (or whether they genuinely want him).

If he does eventually go, I'd imagine it will be next summer and to either Barca (if/when they sell Ibra) or City when they make the CL.
 
G|mp said:
You could get Wayne Bridge for next to nowt at the moment.
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**** off! He's ****.

I doubt he'd be much cheaper than Figueroa (if at all) and he's reportedly earning close to £100k per week :eek:

We were being linked with him the other day and they were talking about ~£8m for him.
 
BaZ87 said:
**** off! He's ****.

I doubt he'd be much cheaper than Figueroa (if at all) and he's reportedly earning close to £100k per week :eek:

We were being linked with him the other day and they were talking about ~£8m for him.
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He will go for nowt, he knows he not going to get in the starting 11 now and City have to get rid of a lot of players now, he's a decent enough left back and I've always thought he would suit Liverpool ;)

He's only on those wages because he's at City.
 
Unless City were willing to pay a % of his wages, I can't see it happening. Who'd walk out on £100k per week?

If he was near enough free and would take a sensible wage, he'd be ok as cover. We need 2 lb's after all.
 
No1newts said:
Personally I think West Ham will be relegation fodder again next season.

Pretty much the same poor team as last season and then I read on the papers you want to sell Cole and replace him with some random Frenchie?

lolwut!?!

It seems to be the same poor transfer policy as the last few years, i.e. by random foreigners and hope they adapt quick enough and play well enough. Which I doubt they will.

Always had a soft spot for west ham fans (your as deluded as us Newcastle fans in thinking you are a big club like our fans do :p) so dont wish them any ill but I think if you stay up it will be because other teams being worse than you rather than West Ham being too good.
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lol, I'm an Arsenal fan, just like West Ham also, but you're talking utter rubbish, the "frenchie" they replaced him with played in the premier league last year, scored a couple great goals against Liverpool and was actually VERY good with awful delivery. THey haven't sold Cole, but don't have much money, they also have a very good squad, a very very close to the same squad the previous year did brilliantly.

Last season defence, Upson, Tompkins, Gabbidon, illunga missed huge portions of the season, 2 of them, Gabbidon and Ilunga would have started every game if fit, both missed almost the entire season.

Midfield, Parker,Collison, Behrami, Noble and Faubert all had long injuries, with some Collison and Boa Morte, of whom half of them played half their games, Parker included, WITH injuries, rushed back in and never close to full fitness. Boa Morte was actually truly brilliant at the end of the previous season, then picked up another season long injury.

Upfront, they had Cole, he missed half the season and was also rushed back in and played injured so took a long time to get back from injury.

Its a very good squad, with a first 11, when fit and not all getting season long injuries at the same time, that is capable of finishing top half of the table, quite easily.

Faubert, Gabbidon, Upson, Ilunga,
Collison, Parker, Noble, Behrami
Cole, Piq

is actually a first 11 that could challenge for Europe, and the year before last most of them stayed fit all season and came WELL into the top half, last season almost all of those missed over half a season.

How would say Utd have done if two defenders missed the entire season and another missed half, and if 3 of the midfield 4 missed half a season and Rooney missed 1/3 and played another 1/3 injured?
 
BaZ87 said:
I was in 2 minds over including Milner, he played the first few months of the season out wide then moved central but still played a bit out wide for the rest of the season. And don't give me that wide forward rubbish :p

Stat's aren't everything but the most important thing for wingers is their end product. Young scored and created more as did Bellamy, Malouda got the same amount of assists but a lot more goals, and both Nani and Lennon got an assist more and just 2 goals less despite playing far fewer games.

Imo, Malouda was far and away the best winger in the league last season and had Lennon not got injured then he'd have pushed him close. Valencia was no better than the rest imo.

I'm not saying Valencia had a poor season but he wasn't the best winger in the league. A solid first season but not a great deal more.
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The ONLY reason people started to rate Malouda was he finally scored some goals, have a very careful look who he scored against.

Of his 12 goals in the league, a SINGLE goal made a difference to the result, 9 goals came in various games that Chelsea won by between 4-6 goal margin, IE Malouda only chipped in, in the games Chelsea won 7-1, 6-0, 5-0 etc, etc. ignoring the games where Chelsea demolished the opponents, he could barely score, create anything, awful defensively, poor with posession, wasteful and had the two worst misses of the season while at the "peak" of his form in the season showing what a complete tool he was. That is, he missed, from the middle of the goal, from about a yard out, by shooting wide.

Malouda had a great season for him, but there were a dozen more effective wingers in the league. Valencia was WAY better than Malouda/Nani, both of whom only had a very small number of good games, and in other games absolutely stank. Valencia only had a few bad games, he had mostly excelent or good games. Nani/Malouda had a handful of excellent games, and the rest were mostly bad.
 
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