** Official ** Summer 2010 Transfer Thread - Signings, Sightings and Rumor's in Here

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Arsenal midfielder Cesc Fabregas has agreed personal terms with Spanish champions Barcelona, according to a report on Sunday.

Catalan sports daily Sport claims that the Spain international agreed his contract should he leave the Gunners for the former European champions. It's been reported that the 23-year-old will sign a five-year deal and will receive £5.9 million per season.

However, Fabregas' current club Arsenal are yet to agree on a transfer fee with Barcelona. Manager Arsene Wenger is said to hold a meeting with the World Cup winner this week and a decision on the player's future will be decided after that. On Sunday Barcelona midfielder Andres Iniesta was quoted as saying that he didn't expect his international teammate to move to Camp Nou.

Nevertheless, Barcelona are keen on signing Fabregas this summer and had already approached the former English champions earlier, only to be turned down.
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http://m.goal.com/en/news/article?contentId=2041646&SID=dm4326oi0jf3h12f1te5m6d677
 
Good god... are these news stories still coming? If he is going, they are leaving it late... but then, its just the press trying to sell more news papers.
 
Barcelona can't afford Fabregas and if they are only offering 30 mill then they can just **** off quite frankly. They bought Chygrynskiy for 25 million Euro's and then sold him a season later anyway. If Fabregas is only worth a few million pounds more than a Ukrainian defender who lasted one season and a handful of games then I'm a monkey's uncle.

 
K1LLSW1TCH said:
Barcelona can't afford Fabregas and if they are only offering 30 mill then they can just **** off quite frankly. They bought Chygrynskiy for 25 million Euro's and then sold him a season later anyway. If Fabregas is only worth a few million pounds more than a Ukrainian defender who lasted one season and a handful of games then I'm a monkey's uncle.

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Depends who breaks first really, £30m now or nothing in a years time is it? I know which I'd take.
 
Biz.Kid09 said:
tbh can only see us signing Balotelli and hes under 21? so we should just be looking to sell Ireland,Santa Cruz,Bridge,Jo and Ireland/Onuoha
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You seem to be ignoring the fact that the team need 8 homegrown(is it 5 or 8 actually?) players, and Onuoha, Ireland would both count as those.

This is why the rules are absurd, Onuoha is quite literally awful defensively, but because he's been there for so long, he's likely to have a long career demanding high wages simply to forfill a place in the squad to let the team keep to regulations. I can't believe no one thought of this, now every single team will HAVE to keep 8 home grown players, good or really really bad, some will get lucky and 4-5 will be first team material, other teams will have literally 8 awful players and very little choice but to keep them, and when new contracts come around, when players know the team has literally no choice but keep them, or not qualify within the rules, they'll hold clubs to ransom.

But thats why Onouha at least, and maybe Ireland won't be leaving, and is Michael Johnson still around, fat useless but on the books because they don't have a look of choice in it? Its genius, bring in a homegrown rule, which doesn't need to be English anyway, and then give said homegrown players more "player power" than any players have previously had. In an attempt to bring through youth, which they hoped was English, they've actually likely cause a long term sharp increase in wages and no choice but to keep crap players.

Ireland got strangely ill last year and was never allowed back in the team, Mancini thinks 3 completely boring non attacking midfielders is somehow the way forward, froze Ireland out, and Ireland is probably now playing like a guy who knows he'll get no games, and you can't really blame him. Dropped for the entirely useless Barry, or Vieira, when the previous season he was the best player on the pitch, one of the best in the league and still City's best attacking midfielder, by a mile.

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Depends who breaks first really, £30m now or nothing in a years time is it? I know which I'd take.
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Yup, I keep saying it, we played this game TWICE already with Vieira and Henry, we lost both games of chicken, to the tune of 30million lost. Lets force Fabregas to stay, refuse to improve the team, then sell him another yet another dissappointing year.

The simple fact is Arsenal aren't winning anything this year, so why are we keeping Fabregas, to not win anything, and lose money on the deal that will eventually happen, its just daft.

Its also this stupid homegrown player rule that means Arsenal are stuck with the likes of Song, Denilson, Djourou, not sure if Diaby counts. That rule is going to absolutely wreak havoc on the quality of our top teams. I'm fairly sure the reason Utd are perservering with Welbeck, and Gibson, and several others is the same reason.
 
drunkenmaster said:
You seem to be ignoring the fact that the team need 8 homegrown(is it 5 or 8 actually?) players, and Onuoha, Ireland would both count as those.

This is why the rules are absurd, Onuoha is quite literally awful defensively, but because he's been there for so long, he's likely to have a long career demanding high wages simply to forfill a place in the squad to let the team keep to regulations. I can't believe no one thought of this, now every single team will HAVE to keep 8 home grown players, good or really really bad, some will get lucky and 4-5 will be first team material, other teams will have literally 8 awful players and very little choice but to keep them, and when new contracts come around, when players know the team has literally no choice but keep them, or not qualify within the rules, they'll hold clubs to ransom.

But thats why Onouha at least, and maybe Ireland won't be leaving, and is Michael Johnson still around, fat useless but on the books because they don't have a look of choice in it? Its genius, bring in a homegrown rule, which doesn't need to be English anyway, and then give said homegrown players more "player power" than any players have previously had. In an attempt to bring through youth, which they hoped was English, they've actually likely cause a long term sharp increase in wages and no choice but to keep crap players.

Ireland got strangely ill last year and was never allowed back in the team, Mancini thinks 3 completely boring non attacking midfielders is somehow the way forward, froze Ireland out, and Ireland is probably now playing like a guy who knows he'll get no games, and you can't really blame him. Dropped for the entirely useless Barry, or Vieira, when the previous season he was the best player on the pitch, one of the best in the league and still City's best attacking midfielder, by a mile.
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How am i ignoring the fact of 8 home grown players?
...Our squad will be:
Hart and Given
Kolarov,Bridge and Cunningham
Kompany,Lescott,Toure,Boyata
Richards and Boateng
Viera :/,De Jong,Barry,Y Toure
A Johnson,Bellamy,Silva,Ireland,M Johnson and Weiss
Tevez,Adebayor,Nimley and hopefully Balotelli
That means we have more than 8 home grown players which are Hart-Bridge-Boyata-Lescott-Richards-Weiss-Barry-A Johnson-Nimley-Cunningham-Ireland-M Johnson
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Ireland got strangely ill last year and was never allowed back in the team, Mancini thinks 3 completely boring non attacking midfielders is somehow the way forward, froze Ireland out, and Ireland is probably now playing like a guy who knows he'll get no games, and you can't really blame him. Dropped for the entirely useless Barry, or Vieira, when the previous season he was the best player on the pitch, one of the best in the league and still City's best attacking midfielder, by a mile.

When Ireland did play he didnt look remotely like his usual self and it was quite clear that he didnt like Mancini or wanted to leave.....i think everyone should stop going on about 2yrs ago yes he played fantastic,yes he was our best player but since then he hasnt done anything...arguably at fault for the utd goal that Scholes scored etc....Yesterday against NY Red Bull's we may have had 10 players! He didnt look bothered at all....
 
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drunkenmaster said:
Yup, I keep saying it, we played this game TWICE already with Vieira and Henry, we lost both games of chicken, to the tune of 30million lost. Lets force Fabregas to stay, refuse to improve the team, then sell him another yet another dissappointing year.

The simple fact is Arsenal aren't winning anything this year, so why are we keeping Fabregas, to not win anything, and lose money on the deal that will eventually happen, its just daft.

Its also this stupid homegrown player rule that means Arsenal are stuck with the likes of Song, Denilson, Djourou, not sure if Diaby counts. That rule is going to absolutely wreak havoc on the quality of our top teams. I'm fairly sure the reason Utd are perservering with Welbeck, and Gibson, and several others is the same reason.
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You get more annoying as you post. Call yourself an Arsenal supporter? Try giving them a little of support, instead of criticising every single thing they do!
Oh and just in case you didn't know, Arsene Wenger isn't to blame for the worlds troubles.
 
To clarify on the homegrown squad members rule:

Teams must name a squad of 25 players.

At least 8 players of the 25 named players must be 'homegrown' - homegrown here meaning that they have trained in the UK for at least 3 years between the ages 16-21.

Of those 8 (or more) players, at least 4 must be produced by the club itself - so must have trained at their current club for 3 years between the ages 16-21.

Any player 21 or under on the first day of the season does not have to registered. However players under 21 can be registered as part of the 25 to ensure the club meets it quota of homegrown talent. As I understand it, any players under 21 registered in this manner do not have to have trained at the club for 3 years to qualify...


The rules are, in my view, remarkably lenient and easy to meet considering the reason for their implementation (to promote youth development). Arsenal, often castigated for our lack of English players, easily meet the rules.
I don't see it having any impact on the behaviour of any of the teams in the top flight, and I don't really see it doing anything to augment the process of producing young talent either (because I am an atrocious pessimist). The thing is the rules can't be stricter and openly require clubs to field a certain number of players of a certain nationality (English in this case) because it contravenes EU regulations over the free movement of labour... It's all rather bureaucratic, and smacks of farce to me.

anyhoo, tl;dr territory, so I will shut up :)
 
drunkenmaster said:
Yup, I keep saying it, we played this game TWICE already with Vieira and Henry, we lost both games of chicken, to the tune of 30million lost. Lets force Fabregas to stay, refuse to improve the team, then sell him another yet another dissappointing year.

The simple fact is Arsenal aren't winning anything this year, so why are we keeping Fabregas, to not win anything, and lose money on the deal that will eventually happen, its just daft.
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How are we going to lose him for nothing? We are only going to gain from holding off. He has a five year contract and if he doesnt get sold he wont be a #### about it. If he stays another year then we still have him on a four year contract, with Henry his contract was running out and he was getting more and more injury prone. He was past his best when we sold.

I dont know how you dare call yourself a supporter of Arsenal Football Club. You obviously have some personal issues in your life that makes you vent all your frustrations out with dribble.

There is no simple FACT that Arsenal wont win anything this year. Do you even know what the word FACT means? Another word you arent too clued up on is the word SUPPORT. Look it up and you might actually discover that you are a Tottenham fan
 
bloodline76 said:
How are we going to lose him for nothing? We are only going to gain from holding off. He has a five year contract and if he doesnt get sold he wont be a T### about it. If he stays another year then we still have him on a four year contract, with Henry his contract was running out and he was getting more and more injury prone. He was past his best when we sold.

I dont know how you dare call yourself a supporter of Arsenal Football Club. You obviously have some personal issues in your life that makes you vent all your frustrations out with dribble.

There is no simple FACT that Arsenal wont win anything this year. Do you even know what the word FACT means? Another word you arent too clued up on is the word SUPPORT. Look it up and you might actually discover that you are a Tottenham fan
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+1 I don't know why he posts as a "fan", he may as well just post as an impartial football watcher as I don't think I've ever seen him say something good about Arsenal in the whole time that I've been here, apart from his precious Eboue of course.
 
guys, don't feed the troll, right? Or is he actually serious when he's talking nonsense?



Anyways, back to the homegrown players rule, Chelsea would appear to be the worst offenders, and most likely to fall foul of the rules, but as I will show, they are completely unscathed by the new regs:



Chelsea (HG= trained at the club for at least 3 years between 16-21) (UK)=trained in the UK for 3 years between 16-21)
1(HG) John Terry
2(HG) Michael Mancienne
3(HG) (No players over 21 to fill these slots, but they can just use any two of their under 21s))
4(HG) "
5(UK) Ashley Cole
6(UK) Frank Lampard
7(UK) Ross Turnbull
8(UK) Nicolas Anelka
9 Petr Cech
10 Branislav Ivanovic
11 Michael Essien
12 Ricardo Carvalho
13 Yossi Benayoun
14 Didier Drogba
15 Mikel John Obi
16 Florent Malouda
17 José Bosingwa
18 Paulo Ferreira
19 Yuri Zhirkov
20 Deco
21 Salomon Kalou
22 Alex
23 Henrique Hilario
24 (empty)
25 (empty)

Players 21 or Under, that do not need to be registered at all
Franco Di Santo
Scott Sinclair
Daniel Sturridge
Nemanja Matic
Sam Hutchinson
Gael Kakuta
Fabio Borini
Jeffrey Bruma
Patrick van Aanholt

As you can see, because of Chelsea's smaller squad (only 21 players over the age of 21 in total) they aren't hindered in any way whatsoever by the new regulations: they don't have enough Homegrown players, but they can easily fill up their quota with U21s without having to sacrifice the registration of older players. So as I said above, the regulations look really pointless/lightweight and are unlikely to affect anyone if Chelsea are able to escape.
 
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I remember Gerrard and Drenthe squaring up in a pre-season game a couple of years back. He's a slimy and dirty and generally a horrible waste of space (Drenthe :)).
 
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