** Official ** Summer 2010 Transfer Thread - Signings, Sightings and Rumor's in Here

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He's a slimy and dirty and generally a horrible waste of space (Drenthe :)).

the same could be said for the other player last season :D


edit - I couldnt resist sorry - Im only joking around


Fabregas is on a longer term deal than that though so Arsenal are in a strong position.

I think its 2014 or something - so still a fair way to go from that point of view. Im still not convinced about the "merits" of forcing a player like that to stay against their will vs generating £40m+ and potentially getting two players or more to generate the EPL points lost from the sale (a bit hard to work out fairly)

It would be sad not to see his quality in the EPL though
 
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How am i ignoring the fact of 8 home grown players?
...Our squad will be:
Hart and Given
Kolarov,Bridge and Cunningham
Kompany,Lescott,Toure,Boyata
Richards and Boateng
Viera :/,De Jong,Barry,Y Toure
A Johnson,Bellamy,Silva,Ireland,M Johnson and Weiss
Tevez,Adebayor,Nimley and hopefully Balotelli
That means we have more than 8 home grown players which are Hart-Bridge-Boyata-Lescott-Richards-Weiss-Barry-A Johnson-Nimley-Cunningham-Ireland-M Johnson
Also:
Ireland got strangely ill last year and was never allowed back in the team, Mancini thinks 3 completely boring non attacking midfielders is somehow the way forward, froze Ireland out, and Ireland is probably now playing like a guy who knows he'll get no games, and you can't really blame him. Dropped for the entirely useless Barry, or Vieira, when the previous season he was the best player on the pitch, one of the best in the league and still City's best attacking midfielder, by a mile.

When Ireland did play he didnt look remotely like his usual self and it was quite clear that he didnt like Mancini or wanted to leave.....i think everyone should stop going on about 2yrs ago yes he played fantastic,yes he was our best player but since then he hasnt done anything...arguably at fault for the utd goal that Scholes scored etc....Yesterday against NY Red Bull's we may have had 10 players! He didnt look bothered at all....

Thing is, Bridge, Barry and lescott will be on HUGE wages, and I can see all three being given the boot soon/next season. Ireland may not have looked his old self, rarely will players look good with a few sub appearances, he had no fitness/form as he didn't get played consistantly. Yet when he came on he was HUGELY better than Vieira and Barry, barry who looked a joke the whole year.

If/when Bridge/Barry go, Bridge as second string on probably insane wages, and really not good enough, if the new guy works out I'd imagine they'll buy a couple younger left backs and ditch him. That could be a few homegrown players gone very quickly.

Considering City's spending and ambition, I can easily see them replacing anyone whose really not good enough, and they aren't going to be replaced with homegrown players, but experienced internationals.

WHich means, hanging on to the cheap homegrown players will be preferable to getting rid of them, and keeping Bridge, Barry, Lescott, probably all on upwards of 100K a week, as your "in just to fill a quota" spots.

You either have Onuoha, Ireland, Johnson and co filling up those roles and getting quality replacements for Bridge, Barry, Lescott, RIchards(who I think could be great but seems to be being overlooked), or you can sell the youngsters on 20-30k a week, and keep the older English homegrown players, on 100k+ a week, and have them as your "qouta" players.

The former makes infinately more business sense, especially as Ireland is better than the older more expensive players you'll likely ditch in the future aswell as being cheaper to keep. At this point in time, Ireland even when he wasn't as good, without form and as a sub looked the best attacking midfielder, no one can match his passing, vision or inteligent running, not even close to be honest.
 
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You get more annoying as you post. Call yourself an Arsenal supporter? Try giving them a little of support, instead of criticising every single thing they do!
Oh and just in case you didn't know, Arsene Wenger isn't to blame for the worlds troubles.

Wow, so throwing away 15million by keeping him for another season DOES make sense and I'm wrong? Please explain how.

A good fan actually see's the problems, and wants them fixed, a stupid fan ignores the problems, assumes beating McNobody FC means they'll win the world cup, and thats how you end up with England being embarassed completely in the world cup.

Arsenal and England completely ignored, and belittled anyone who said there were problems as long as they were beating crap teams by narrow margins, when up against the top teams, they got BATTERED and everyone wondered what happens.

Ignoring problems = not even remotely helpful.

You might have noticed, 6-7 years ago, we'd be even expected to win more than 50% of our top 4 games, for two seasons we've been basically spanked in all 6 of those games.

If you notice, go back in the past 3 seasons, if we won those games, we win the league. Being able to beat a bankrupt Pompie, or an awful Derby, really means nothing, if you can't draw with the top four, let alone win, you can't win the league, its not possible, you can't do it. We weren't even competitive, not being competitive = a HUGE problem, as a fan, I actually want the team to improve, most other fans want to ignore the problems and pretend they can win the league.

If we were broke, couldn't buy, played our best players and formation and couldn't win, thats one thing. Arsenal have a net spend of £5mil since 03, yet post the second biggest profit of any team in the league, in the region of 50-60mil a year now, with 30mil going on the debt, leaving 25-30mil profit a season. Spurs have spent 120mil net, Villa and pool around the 100mil mark, Sunderland and Birmingham over £50mil.

I don't even want us to spend, we're a club with the money, most of the players and the quality to actually compete, but we aren't and there isn't a good reason for that at all. UTd have done exceptionally well, with only a 38mil net spend.

Wengers lost his marbles, we had 4-5 better players to start games over Diaby, who was abysmal, its entirely nuts we played him, or lost Gilberto, the best DM in the world cup, and the confed cup, by far, who we could have kept for nothing, amongst many many many other huge and critical mistakes.

LIke I said, if we weren't profitable, couldn't spend, didn't have better players, stopped buying central attacking players as we move to a formation that uses less of them, etc, etc then I wouldn't care if we finished 10th, or just above relegation. But thats not the situation the club is in, the situation we are in, squad, money, profit, transfers, draw of the club, we should be genuine contenders, and we aren't at all. We've still gone backwards this summer, and our big push forwards....... is to get a goalkeeper a year, maybe two from retirement, for a pretty high fee and it signals the bigger problem, that Wenger still thinks Fabianski will come good.

If we get Schwarzer, then we'll be right back where we are now, without a competant keeper, in 2 seasons max. Wengers complete inability to cut the dead wood is his biggest failing.
 
Fulham are being linked with more players now we haven't got a manager to when we did, lol.

SkySports said:
Paraguay striker Nelson Valdez has not ruled out a move to Sunderland or Fulham, but is targeting a Spanish club.


He added: "Should it turn out to be England in the end, I will be moving either to Sunderland or Fulham."
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11681_6279875,00.html

SkySports said:
Argentine starlet Mikhail Colombo is being targeted by a host of Premier League clubs, skysports.com understands.

It is understood that Fulham, West Ham and Birmingham are keen to check on him, but Tottenham are understood to be leading the chase for the goalscoring midfielder.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11681_6280212,00.html

Also looks like the next manager is out of Eriksson, Hughes and Klinsmann (odds in that order).
 
Wow, so throwing away 15million by keeping him for another season DOES make sense and I'm wrong? Please explain how.

I am so confident that you are wrong that I will make the following bet:

If he stays for another season and then goes for £15m next year to Barca then I will support you in all your dribble for a whole season.

And if he either:

A: Gets sold this season for more than the reported £28m Barca have offered (As you think we should take the £28m on offer now)

B: If he stays and goes for a reasable price £28m+ next year

Then you have to only say positive things about Arsenal and Mr Wenger for the following season.

Agreed?
 
Man City are going to be very comfortable when it comes to meeting the homegrown players quota; if anything they have too many options...

They have to have 8 players trained in the UK for 3 years between the ages 16-21 (UK), 4 of which trained at Man City (HG)
well here's how I count it:
1(HG) Micah Richards
2(HG) Nedum Onuoha
3(HG) Michael Johnson
4(HG) Stephen Ireland
5(HG) Shaun Wright-Phillips
6(HG) Joe Hart
7(HG) Shaleum Logan
8(HG) Kelvin Etuhu
9(UK) Shay Given
10(UK) Wayne Bridge
11(UK) Adam Johnson
12(UK) Stuart Taylor
13(UK) Gareth Barry
14(UK) Joleon Lescott

so if they were choosing 8 from that, 4 of which had to be (HG), I imagine it'd be:
(HG): Richards, Hart, Onuoha, M Johnson
(UK): Barry, Lescott, A Johnson, Given

They're spoilt for choice, in fact they will have to have a clear out just to avoid having players that they can't register. Even if they registered no U21s, I count 5 players too many in the current squad... and come on, don't tell me you expect business sense to enter into the reckoning....

The only team that is in any sort of situation is Liverpool as they only have 2 players over 21 that were trained at Liverpool (Carragher & Gerrard) and a further two over 21 trained in the UK (J Cole & Glen Johnson). However they will fill those 4 quota spots with their U21s...
 
They have to have 8 players trained in the UK for 3 years between the ages 16-21 (UK), 4 of which trained at Man City (HG)

IINM that only applys to CL squads not the new Premier League system. You need 8 players that have been trained in England, none need to have been trained at the club though.
 
Ah yeah you are right, my bad:

www.premierleague.com said:
The Premier League will introduce a squad cap of 25 players and a quota on home-grown players from next season.

The 20 clubs have agreed the introduction of a home-grown player rule, which will take effect at the start of the 2010/11 campaign.

From next season, clubs must include eight home-grown players out of a squad of 25.‬‪

A home-grown player will be defined as one who, irrespective of his nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to the Football Association or the Football Association of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday (or the end of the Season during which he turns 21).

The trained-at-the-club part is just Champs League, you're right. I assumed it was all the same rule.

Lol it's even more ridiculously lenient than I first thought...
 
The simple fact is Arsenal aren't winning anything this year, so why are we keeping Fabregas, to not win anything, and lose money on the deal that will eventually happen, its just daft.
Comments like that prove to me you are an idiot. Do not ever associate yourself with Arsenal FC or its supporters. Seriously...
 
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