** Official ** Summer 2010 Transfer Thread - Signings, Sightings and Rumor's in Here

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Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger could swoop for Netherlands international and Ajax goalkeeper Martin Stekelenburg if he fails to lure Mark Schwarzer from Fulham.
Full story: Talksport.com

much better than schwarzer and only 27/28 i think



Birmingham are set to offer Wigan an improved offer for winger Charles N'Zogbia, thought to be in the region of about £8.5-£9m.
Full story: Guardian

good player needs proper confidence player though and needs pampering

Newcastle are closing in on a £3.5m deal for FC Twente's Ivory Coast's defensive midfielder Cheick Tiote.
Full story: Daily Mail

seems like a player that will do well in the prem at a mid table level
 
Yes but there's a massive difference between stating an 'interest' for a player (which is what all teams do), to being downright classless and getting the team members themselves to come out with utter tosh e.g. the 'dna' malarky (which the Spanish giants have been known to do).

No there isn't, we didn't register interest, we put in a bid, we were told he is catagorically NOT for sale and warned him, off, remember Wenger hasn't complained about the players speaking out, which nulifys that point, Wenger and others at the club have complained that after being explicitly told NOT to bid and he was not for sale, how horrible and immorale these guys are for daring to bid again. This is EXACTLY what Wenger has done, exactly, without question identical situation he was complaining about.


You aren't talking about a player who is a youngster trying to break through, or a fringe player per say. AA was a fairly high profile transfer who had some bad luck with injuries and would obviously need some time to get used to culture/league/weather etc. and hasn't really been given that. Regards to form and match fitness I'd agree with you, but surely its better to take a risk on a player you've already shelled out for instead of being so damn pragmatic. This is a side that wants to get back into the champions league. Without the cash id personally see them risk what they have as opposed to protecting their 'investment'


edit: and to disagree with you again, Schwarzer/arsenal fab/barca is hardly the same is it?

Has there been a relentless pursuit?, daily press releases regarding schwarzer love for the gunners? or rvp/song/arsharavin et al all weeping about how wonderful he is?

No, a player has had his head turned by a bigger club. Said club have made a few offers

First AA, no, the amount you've paid for him is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT.

You look at the player, and situation first, he was injured, he didn't play much, when he played he was highly inconsistant and frankly not good enough, this might be down to injury form, but playing him in the first team could potentially cost a lot of points before he maybe gets good again. Its risky, you simply do not play the same in reserves with kids and crap teams and no atmosphere/crowds as in high pressure real league games.

With any player you have options, bench, stick in reserves to play, send out on loan to get games, the money you paid doesn't matter. LIverpool are in the situation where they don't know if he'll ever come good, the quickest and best way to do that is to loan him out, which doesn't risk a potentially crap player screwing up the team in the league constantly.

Sending him out on loan lets someone else take the chance, don't forget that players can simply have a hard run of luck/time in a new place or trouble settling in, throw in coming back from injury and you could have a mountain he can't climb. Send him somewhere he's comftable, used to, happier and maybe he'll pick up form and come back as fit and form player and only have a new place to get used to, a far easier situation.

If you go, "i'm not going to give him that chance because we spent 20mil on him" well, its stupid, you have a player and you make the best choice to get him playing his best. I think loan is the right choice, quite easily, for the reasons given. If it works he comes back a 25mil player in form, if he isn't good enough but has made someone else think he has potential from actually playing games, you can sell him for more than a benched/reserve player, its an unlosable situation. Sticking him in reserves trying to come back from an injury is expensive and gets you potentially a year further into his contract, no interest to buy, no form, not happy, still not recovered, or he might find his best form and become the next Messi, worst case scenario is MUCH worse, best case scenario is the same, but you save on wages.

Its really an easy choice if you ask me, and the correct one.

Again, the PRESS did everything you say in regards to the Fabregas situation, the PRESS were interested so asked players questions everyday.

The sad thing is the lack of hounding of Schwarzer/Arsenal players about the deal simply signifys one thing, what a small and stupid deal it is. Can you imagine the quotes/press interest, etc, if we were trying to sign Gomes, or Casillas, or Valdes? It would go through the roof, the lack of press interest is simply because signing a decent keeper for next to nothing from a not huge side in his last season or two is barely news. Again I'll say, look at what WENGER complained about in the deal, not Arsenal fans, then see what Wenger has done in regards to Schwarzer, its truly daft.
 
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first up thanks for putting your real points in caps so i wouldn't miss them ... easily done as im sure you would testify. Second its odd how you can write so much, yet get confused so easily with more concise posts. The only time I mention money is stating that currently liverpool don't have much. So you're right the money is irrelevant, but it helps us realise the status of the player. I personally don't think he's had enough starts (or a decent run of games) to decide whether he is good enough or not. This is without mentioning the fact that moving from serie a to the prem is a huge difference, especially for a central player. And the main caveat, that as mentioned by Baz i think, is that this will leave them short an attacking midfielder.

In italy, he will gain confidence and fitness, but sadly no grasp of the english game. It'd be better for him to get a loan to english club, if there were any that wanted him.
 
No there isn't, we didn't register interest, we put in a bid, we were told he is categorically NOT for sale and warned him, off, remember Wenger hasn't complained about the players speaking out, which nullifies that point, Wenger and others at the club have complained that after being explicitly told NOT to bid and he was not for sale, how horrible and immoral these guys are for daring to bid again. This is EXACTLY what Wenger has done, exactly, without question identical situation he was complaining about.

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first up thanks for putting your real points in caps so i wouldn't miss them ... easily done as im sure you would testify. Second its odd how you can write so much, yet get confused so easily with more concise posts. The only time I mention money is stating that currently liverpool don't have much. So you're right the money is irrelevant, but it helps us realise the status of the player. I personally don't think he's had enough starts (or a decent run of games) to decide whether he is good enough or not. This is without mentioning the fact that moving from serie a to the prem is a huge difference, especially for a central player. And the main caveat, that as mentioned by Baz i think, is that this will leave them short an attacking midfielder.

In italy, he will gain confidence and fitness, but sadly no grasp of the english game. It'd be better for him to get a loan to english club, if there were any that wanted him.

Well then you did miss the point.

A list of AA's current problems could be, homesick, uncomftable, lack of language, potentially lack of intergration in the team as injured players will often do physio with trainers on their own, not used to England, no form from lack of playing consistantly for almost 2 years, not used to the game in England, not used to the league or the players in the league, recovering from injury.

Now by being loaned to Italy, you remove, homesick, not used to the league, not used to england, not used to the players in the league and you're basically left with a guy coming back from injury requiring games.

Get him to form, fitness and some level of consistancy in a league he's used to will be FAR easier than in a new place where everything is always harder. Going to the local shop to get some bread is harder in a new country, let alone everything else. Once he gets some form/fitness back and is over his injury, then he comes back and again he's got a far shorter list of problems when intergrating into the Liverpool team.


Loaning him to an english club wouldn't make the slightest bit of sense. Tackling one problem at a time is much easier than all of them together, in any situation in any job for any person. Make this year about form and getting back from injury, and next year about Liverpool and the 20mil + might end up be well spent, have him continue to make no progress here and the 20mil + will be wasted.

How much faster would Eduardo have gotten back to form if he had been loaned out and got consistant games in a league he was more used to, had more confidence in and hadn't aquired a truly horrible injury in, he'd have likely gotten 20 times as many games, fitness and form would have returned, he'd gain confidence and he could have come back to Arsenal with no real issues, instead we barely played him, he never got back from his injury.
 
Hmm some fans on the Spurs boards are going completely over the top. Like I said on one if Gallas stays fit, puts in a few MOM performances and scores the winner against any of our close rivals all will be forgotten.

Imagine Gallas scoring in the 88th minute against Chelsea at WHL, the place would go mental and every single Spurs fan would be cheering... and some would look stupid and show how fickle they really are.
 
I genuinely couldn't care less who he played for. Arsenal signed Sol and look how he did for them. They signed the ****er twice.

Some of the fans need to take their head from their arses.
 
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exactly. aslong as he gives his all everytime, then it doesn't matter who he played for in the past. it's an area we need cover in rapidly and it's a good bit of business by spurs
 
Well then you did miss the point.

A list of AA's current problems could be, homesick, uncomftable, lack of language, potentially lack of intergration in the team as injured players will often do physio with trainers on their own, not used to England, no form from lack of playing consistantly for almost 2 years, not used to the game in England, not used to the league or the players in the league, recovering from injury.

Now by being loaned to Italy, you remove, homesick, not used to the league, not used to england, not used to the players in the league and you're basically left with a guy coming back from injury requiring games.

I think he is being loaned back to an italian side because he is going to get bombed out of the club, but no side is going to risk stumping up any cash for him until he has a run of games under his belt.
He was always far to lightweight for this league, and not a fraction of the player he was bought in to replace, he is never going to displace Gerrard, or either of the two holding players, so he will be sold once they think he is fit.
 
Running out of days until Wenger can get his goalie. I hope he goes for the Dutch Goalie.

Didnt see much of Song playing last night on MOTD. How did he do overal as CB? From the highlights I wish he would play like that in the DM position. Makes the tackle...easy pass to midfield and back into position.

Still hope we get another CB in before the transfer window ends :(
 
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