** Official ** Summer 2010 Transfer Thread - Signings, Sightings and Rumor's in Here

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very pleased with the signings at arsenal this season , may have lost a bunch of defenders but with the possible signing of Squillac arsenal have a very strong back four at last hopefully , well cant be much worse than silvestre.
 
[Cas];17218910 said:
So bergkamp wasn't "a hit"?!

Really, wtf are you on? I think every single club in the world would happily take a new Bergkamp without a second thought.
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We're talking about strikers, poachers, these strikers mention are guys getting close or passing the 30 goals a year mark who go to other leagues and suck, sorry but Bergkamp and RVP aren't that type of striker, they aren't prolific, Bergkamp is a 5-10 goal a season player for most of his career.

So no, I didn't include him in the list of players scoring 30 who became a flop in other leagues.

Kezman, Kuyt, Hunterlaar and most of the others people think of were guys who were scoring 20-30 or more a season and came to England, or spain/italy and were struggling to hit 10 goals a season.

If you think Bergkamp came to the uk and became a prolific striker, or was one before he came, you're off your rocker and quite simply don't know who Bergkamp was.

Berg's and RVP, brilliant playmakers, technically great, but stay in the 6 yard box and tap in, not their game, not even close to their game.

Theres a reason Bergkamp played lots of games on the wing and even central mid(ish) for us, and why RVP has played several games on the wing and many as a more withdrawn striker.
 
Tummy said:
Still think Arsenal need a 'keeper and a defensive mid :p
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Keeper, 2 DM's, at least, Diaby, Denilson, Djourou sold, another CB at least after the new guy.

Its really simple, every year almost since Wenger joined both the cb's get injured for several months, often the last 2 months of the season completely missed.

With one new guy we're basically certain to end up with Song or Djourou alongside a new guy none of us actually know is any good at all, in whats likely a very tough run in of games considering we have such an easy start to the season. We don't need a 15mil defender, we need someone along the lines of Evans, not brilliant, but decent enough for most games, cheap, young and with potential, Djourou has potential to become the most injured Arsenal player of all time, but no potential to be a world class centre back.

we could do with a couple wingers, who are actually wingers aswell, ones who can cross, have pass, can pass, and can defend a bit aswell.

Theo got a hattrick, largely for two reasons, Blackpool were such a non threat he played most of his game in the penalty box, and the blackpool keeper might be the worst keeper I've seen in the prem for years, he can't dive sideways, just flops down. OTher than that Theo was still ridiculously crap outside the penalty box as per usual, any other game where Arsenal aren't basically sitting in the Blackpool half Theo won't be pushed as far forwards and he'll be a completely awful winger.

I've said time and time again, stick him in the box with one touch and a shot and he COULD be good eventually, a winger, he'll never even come close to being competant at.

Its funny, twice in his career he's got a hattrick, both in games against sides that didn't show up, twice as wingers and both times anything over one or two touches inside the box before a shot and he's awful. Why we don't play him as a striker I don't know.
 
He is amazing as a striker on fifa lol....but seriously his pace would be insane through the middle all you need is a Carew/Heskey type player like Agbonlahor has so the ball can be knocked on and Walcott can use his pace, you may have one in Chamkah though because hes quite big and got a good head on him
 
Well to be fair to Wenger, he's always said that he sees Walcott as a striker eventually. His shooting has improved more than his crossing has, and such is his pace, that if he is played in behind, he will always get a shooting chance. He does keep his composure well 1 on 1.

In our current system it's not the like the two wider player in the attacking trio are proper wingers. They are more like Inside Forwards or Attacking midfielders; they don't hug the touchline and pump out crosses, their focus is narrow; to link with the midfield and get into the box, usually the crosses come from the full-backs. That might change a bit this season though, given Chamakh's aerial prowess.

I would wait to reserve judgment on Walcott to the end of this season. The omission from the World Cup squad has clearly motivated him to work harder at his game; he's now trying to take our free kicks (again, I'm reserving judgment for now :) ), he's hitting his crosses with more power and he's getting his head up.

I did have a chuckle when I got my Sunday Times at the weekend, turned to the article on the Arsenal game and saw the writer refer to him as world-class, one performance against a poor team doesn't make him the messiah, but let's at least be open-minded for this season.
 
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FrankJH said:
well to be fair being an Arsenal fan dm should be saying Bergkamp lol
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ACtually, having checked on it, his last 3 seasons at Ajax he scored 26 in 28, 24 in 30, and 25 goals in 33 appearances.

This was followed by 8 in 31 and 3 in 21 at Inter, his best for Arsenal was 16 in 28 games and his worst was 2 in 24, sorry but yes Bergkamp included didn't even come close to his Ajax form infront of goal, from 26 goals in 28 games, to 2 in 24, Bergkamp was MASSIVELY more prolific at Ajax and in Holland than anywhere else.

RVP though, hits at a similar if not maybe better rate than he did while in Holland.

Bergkamps playmaking was world class, in Holland he was considered one of the best strikers in the league in terms of goal scoring, in England and at Inter he wasn't even close.
 
goonerfan said:
Well to be fair to Wenger, he's always said that he sees Walcott as a striker eventually. His shooting has improved more than his crossing has, and such is his pace, that if he is played in behind, he will always get a shooting chance. He does keep his composure well 1 on 1.
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Meh, I'm really bored with this Wenger thing, Vela is a striker, lets train him as a winger, same with Eduardo, it worked with Henry, largely because Wenger did the same thing with him at Monaco, a kid they brought in as a ridiculously talented striker he turned into a completely average winger, then when he got back to Arsenal made him a striker again and his game came back.

Walcotts a horrifically bad winger, he has nothing in his game that suits playing on the wing, his crossing isn't better, he still doesn't get his head up, in preseason and in the first two games he's missed multiple ridiculously easy chances to set up a goal because he can't make a VERY simple pass, if its because he doesn't look up, or he's incapable of passing doesn't matter, you're only good if you have both, not just one.

he was a striker, he was always a striker, and Wenger bought a striker, then tried to play him as a winger, likely because he almost solely buys central players these days.

This is as far back as forcing upson to train as a left back for years despite 3 left backs being ahead of him. Upson would probably be at Arsenal, first team and a much better player if he just stayed as a centre back. Walcott would be a better striker if he'd only trained as a striker in the past 3 years.

As for the way our wingers play, yes, in theory they should get in and spend a lot of time in the box, but when they aren't he's completely hopeless and against any half decent team the wingers are expected to get back, defend the wings and will be playing most of the game around the half way area, where he's hopeless.


His shooting also hasn't improved, all 3 shots were weak, slow, and not brilliant, almost any other keeper in the league would have saved at least one, probably two of Walcotts, Chamakhs quite easily.

He needs a run in the team, playing 4-4-2, even then I'm not sure he's good enough, but its without doubt he's not good enough for the wing. He's had a couple good games ever year, Cygan scored a brace once, doesn't mean he can do it every game, and doing it against potentially the worst team in the league means next to nothing. Its when a player can do it almost every game they can be considered good. Problem is he was crap last week, crap for England, crap in every single game in preseason. If he'd been good for the last 8-9 games and then had a great game, thats one thing, awful for 8-9 games and decent against the worst team we'll play in a while, still making huge mistakes, isn't a sign of a turnaround.
 
drunkenmaster said:
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Bergkamps playmaking was world class, in Holland he was considered one of the best strikers in the league in terms of goal scoring, in England and at Inter he wasn't even close.
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Well I have heard it all now. Bergkamp wasnt considered one of the best strikers in the EPL :eek: Let me guess...Eboue is considered to be though? :p

Great news on the CB. I hope the other news about the Dutch GK and CD also hold some ground. That would be a perfect end to the transfer market.
 
Bergkamp was a goalscorer till he went to Inter then he was more provider. better than 1 in 2 when playing for Ajax I believe.

EDIT: As Stretch said above :)
 
blimey his goal scoring record over here makes Berbatov's look good. Obviously he was a great player but DM is right by saying he wasn't up there with the great goalscorers.
 
For me a striker is, well that, the guy upfront you give the ball to, to put it in a net, he wasn't the best striker in the world, he wasn't close either, he was however an exceptional footballer.

His Ajax record is effected by his younger years aswell as he learned, his three best years at Ajax, scoring 26 goals in 28 games is phenomal, massively above 1 in 2 ratio, thats something Eto, Torres, Ibra, Ronaldo, Messi, Henry and Drogba have achieved and outside of Eto and Messi most of the others have only achieved that once, maybe twice, Drogba's second best season is 20 in 32 starts, last year he got 29 in 31 which is just ridiculous.

Before he left Holland Bergkamp was one of those strikers, a few week young years, then he was the main man and scoring like well, half the dutch strikers seem to, he left Holland and never even came close.

Theres nothing wrong with that, it does rather prove that being a massively high scorer in the dutch league doesn't really mean anything. Bergkamp was immense in the premier league, one of Arsenals best players ever but its pretty obvious he scored far more easily in the dutch league.

Thats basically the whole point though, people saying you can't take a scoring record from the dutch league and think it will translate anywhere else. 99% of players who are high scoring there, score at a MUCH lower rate in other leagues, outside of RVN and Ibra, and RVP I can't think of any others that haven't scored much much less.
 
Afonso Alves is a good example...38goals in 34 appearances or something and went to 'Boro and didnt do well....i love Bergkamp though that goal against Newcastle is just amazing
 
Guardian are reporting Barca have offered just over £12 million plus Hleb and some injury prone right back that's managed less than 90 games in 5 seasons for Mascherano. Given our recent transfers I expect the deal to be done shortly :(
 
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