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I was at the game in Stoke a few years ago where Shawcross smashed Adebayor when he was about 4 yards off the pitch (it sounds ridiculous, I know) and put him out of action for a month. One of the most stupid challenges I've ever seen and made clearly to hurt the player (well obviously, the ball was well out of play). But he made himself cry and hurt his own feelings when he broke Ramsey's leg so we must tip toe around him.

He deserves every last piece of criticism he gets and it's excellent to see Wenger's WUM'ing has really got to him. Though I wouldn't like to be Wenger when he hears from Shawcross' mummy.
 
Ahhh sponge... probably sums up most of the Stoke fans mindsets. Because Shawcross never hurt anyone amirite?

True, he's never hurt me and I've played with him quite a few times.


Wenger just can't get over it, needs to get his players to go into tackles full on, not half arsed.
 
Wenger just can't get over it, needs to get his players to go into tackles full on, not half arsed.
Agree. He used to have a team of men that could handle themselves on the pitch and got more than their fair share of reds for reckless challenges but now he's got a team of girls who would rather face a tackle in the shower than a tackle on the pitch.

About time Wenger and the Whingers STFU about the Shawcross tackle and stopped trying to corrupt the game.
 
Agree. He used to have a team of men that could handle themselves on the pitch and got more than their fair share of reds for reckless challenges but now he's got a team of girls who would rather face a tackle in the shower than a tackle on the pitch.

About time Wenger and the Whingers STFU about the Shawcross tackle and stopped trying to corrupt the game.

You're right, pointing out a set of fouls is totally corrupting the game. If only those offenders had the skills to tackle better (or, tackle), then man, that would shut us up for sure - irrespective of whether they caused injury or not. ;)

As I'm sure you know (it's certainly been pointed out here before hand), but it's not just that Shawcross tackle. It's the way he was already fired up from an incident earlier on in the game. The almost off the pitch incident where he put Adebayor out for over a month. The incident where he put Walcott out for months. When he was on loan at a Belgian side as well a horrendous X-rated tackle put a lad out for several months as well.

They're only the ones I remember but when Ramsey broke his leg earlier this year a few others were mentioned. I don't see any other 'clumsy' players with such a bad record at just 22. The guy's not even a DM, he's a CB for the most part.

Wenger just can't get over it, needs to get his players to go into tackles full on, not half arsed.

Lol what? You know that's garbage.
 
The English macho man approach is so worn and nonsensical, I have no idea why it exists in the modern world

In the Stoke game, for anybody else who remembers it as I do, preceding the leg break, Arsenal were getting 'stuck in' and going for all the 50/50's, and standing up for themselves for the first time at the Brittania. Stoke clearly did not like this. Then a few minutes later Ramsey went in for a '50/50' (it was clearly a 70/30 in Ramsey's favour) and that happened. I said to my gf's dad minutes before the leg break that somebody is going to get injured, it was obvious the route that Stoke were taking in that game.
 
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Do you disagree with my post, did you watch the game? It was obviously going to happen. Stoke were upping the aggression very clearly.
 
In fairness that bit wasn't there when I posted my bit :p

But still Arsenal fans go on about this more than the rest of the Premier League clubs combined.
 
Do you disagree with my post, did you watch the game? It was obviously going to happen. Stoke were upping the aggression very clearly.

its a contact sport, if you played football you would know aggression is a part of the game, and a tactic employed to put other players off their game. the referee's and linesmen are there to decide what is okay and what isnt. if they did a poor job of refereeing the game, then arsenal should have made a complaint to the FA.
 
Wenger doesn't do grit, which is arguably why they've won very little since the grittier players he inherited retired.
 
Wenger doesn't do grit, which is arguably why they've won very little since the grittier players he inherited retired.

exactly the only player in the arsenal team that looks as if he is up for a bit of a tussle is Van Persie, they need someone like mascherano/van bommel in their breaking players legs.
 
The English macho man approach is so worn and nonsensical, I have no idea why it exists in the modern world
Because you're an Arsenal supporter and you're used to watching attractive one touch football week in week. What you and every other Arsenal supporter need to understand is very few teams play like that in the English game. You're the exception rather than the rule and that's the way the English game should stay.

Then a few minutes later Ramsey went in for a '50/50' (it was clearly a 70/30 in Ramsey's favour) and that happened.
It clearly wasn't. If Ramsey didn't jump with an out stretched leg to nick the ball away from Shawcross, who was already in the process of making the tackle, his leg wouldn't have got caught in the turf and broken.

It was an unfortunate accident but an accident Arsenal will suffer more than most because of the style of football they play and the skillful quick footed players Wenger likes to utilise.
 
exactly the only player in the arsenal team that looks as if he is up for a bit of a tussle is Van Persie, they need someone like mascherano/van bommel in their breaking players legs.

Vermaelen. RvP + aggressive tackle = him on a stretcher.

I certainly agree that we need more grit in our team. The invincibles were all pretty large and powerful but still had pace and quick feet. Our current squad is very lightweight and fragile which is why we constantly get pwned by Chelsea and Man U, Did you see how traore bounced off Drogba? Sure i don't like the style of football used by the likes of stoke but I'm not going to complain, it works for them and that's there main advantage against a team like us.
 
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It was an unfortunate accident but an accident Arsenal will suffer more than most because of the style of football they play and the skillful quick footed players Wenger likes to utilise.

Fair enough, but my reasoning is that it happens because there are too many clumsy and ott tackles in England, I'm not talking about the Shawcross one, a good example is the treatment of Barton the other week, those types of tackles are very regular and that's the reason for the injuries, not because Arsenal play faster football, that should be encouraged, the rash tackles discouraged. But we'll agree to disagree because you say the English game should stay the same and that's fine, it is an attractive game to watch

Also Arsenal didn't lose to Chelsea/Man Utd because of power/size of players, I'd say it was lack of defensive nous and inability to track runners (laziness?). Most of the goals were simple counter attacks or down to somebody in the defence failing. I also think that saying the think this team lacks is height and power is also a misnoma, I don't thing this team is as successful as Vieira, Henry et al. is that they were better, simply put, that team is almost impossible to improve. Football does run in cycles and one day in the future it'll be Arsenal's turn to be at/near the top for a few seasons, then maybe Man City's/Man Utd's etc etc.

Barcelona proved that all the passion/aggression etc. is nonsense really, who's their enforcer? Iniesta? Xavi? Busquets? Arsenal just haven't found the right mix to win the title recently and haven't had squads nearly as good as Man Utd and Chelsea have, they need to concentrate on defending much more, not buy a tall player
 
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But still Arsenal fans go on about this more than the rest of the Premier League clubs combined.

It wasn't too long ago that Arsenal picked up something like a record (iirc) Red Cards in a season and were known to be a very physical side.

How times have changed :p
 
People always pull that out of the bag, but I think Wenger did well to address that and change it and Arsenal are usually near the top of the FP league in the last 5 years, but Vieira (and a few others) was pretty dirty

Edit - Houllier to Villa? Not bad imo
 
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