** Official ** Summer 2010 Transfer Thread - Signings, Sightings and Rumor's in Here

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bloodline76 said:
With the amount of goals he scores and the amount of assists he gets at Arsenal as well he will be immense for Barca.

If Arsenal had a Messi in their side Fabregas would have another 10-20 assists for the season. Saying he doesnt deserve more than £30m is a complete joke.

And we have a striker who can match anyone on his day in RVP. We just need a fit striker :p
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Will he definitely get ahead of Iniesta and Xavi? I know it seems daft to think they wouldn't play him after spending a large fee on him but I'm not so sure dropping one of arguably the best midfield partnership on the planet is the smartest idea.

In regards to the fee. What I am saying is that, if Fabregas says he wants to go then Arsenal need to drop the 'bugger off' fee (eg. £60million) and just get what they can. If Barca only have £30million - then I'm sorry, that's still a pretty big fee and they'll be under pressure to accept it.

Then again, I must stress, I don't hold the view that Cesc is the best midfielder on the planet, nor do I think he's in the top three, so for me the inflated prices shouldn't be applying to him but I accept I might well in the minority about that.
 
We might as well be Barca's feeding club because we get them the experience and then they come along and steal our best players for peanuts.

JC-Retro said:
Will he definitely get ahead of Iniesta and Xavi? I know it seems daft to think they wouldn't play him after spending a large fee on him but I'm not so sure dropping one of arguably the best midfield partnership on the planet is the smartest idea.

In regards to the fee. What I am saying is that, if Fabregas says he wants to go then Arsenal need to drop the 'bugger off' fee (eg. £60million) and just get what they can. If Barca only have £30million - then I'm sorry, that's still a pretty big fee and they'll be under pressure to accept it.
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Well it wont stop them playing all three at the same time. But he is more than likely to be used as a super sub to begin with.

I cant see Arsenal selling if they only offer £30m. I do remember Wenger saying that he wouldnt sell anyone this summer. I dont think he can help that but I think he can demand a better fee than £30m. I can see a few players thrown into the deal to make it sweeter which might be better for Arsenal.

I dont think they only have £30m because they are also being linked with other players including Eboue. And he is going to cost them at least £90m (If we go by DM's value of the player that is :p)
 
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JC-Retro said:
LOL didn't you take Cesc from them in the first place? And now you're selling their own youth player back to them for a huge fee?

Hilarious stuff.
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Fab is the only player that we took off them. They have taken Hleb, Henry, Overmars...although they didnt get as much playing time there.

Despite that they wouldnt have gave him the same chances that Arsenal had. Do you think that if he cant get in their first team now what chance would he have had when he was 16 years old. He wouldnt have become half as good as he is without that experience.

Loads of players leave big clubs because they dont get the chance to play. Arsenal at least give those players a chance of playing and developing. What I do think is LOL is that barca think they can have him back on the cheap just because he started off at Barca.
 
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bloodline76 said:
Fab is the only player that we took off them. They have taken Hleb, Henry, Overmars...although they didnt get as much playing time there.

Despite that they wouldnt have gave him the same chances that Arsenal had. Do you think that if he cant get in their first team now what chance would he have had when he was 16 years old. He wouldnt have become half as good as he is without that experience.

Loads of players leave big clubs because they dont get the chance to play. Arsenal at least give those players a chance of playing and developing. What I do think is LOL is that barca think they can have him back on the cheap just because he started off at Barca.
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Errm, we stole Merida and Cesc off them, for essentially free, and players they've TAKEN, Overmars was being pushed out of the club, Hleb wasn't but SHOULD have been pushed out of the club, but Hleb had been complaining and was forcing a move anyway, to Barca or somewhere else, he was as entirely crap for them as he was for us, at least their manager(s) can recognise a crap player when they see one.

Likewise Henry was getting bored at Arsenal, we weren't going anywhere, he was getting frustrated, being overly relied upon to prop up the team and the pressure/number of games on top of World cups and Euro's meant he spent a couple years injured and stayed far longer than almost any other player would have.

Barca haven't "poached" a single player from us. Wenger constantly poaches cheap young players from everyone else, its hardly something to complain about in regards to Barcelona going after Cesc.

As for how we helped him by giving him a chance to play, pull the other one, firstly Barca are more than happy to play youth players, secondly, every single person at the club knew how good Cesc was, he will walk into their first team, and he would be first team there now and for the past 4 years if he'd stayed there.

The point is we actually did steal Fabregas, instead of paying even 5mil, or 15-30mil at Rooney to Utd age/potential, we got him for nothing and paid a bit in arbitration IIRC. Overmars, Hleb and Henry were all paid for, heavily, 2 vastly overpriced, Henry, fair price to be honest.
 
bloodline76 said:
The transfer prices still havent come down in price. Milner will go for nothing less than £26m I think. If thats what we are going by then asking £40 - £60m isnt crazy.
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Thats because a few clubs actually want Milner - no one apart from Barca will even have a chance at signing Fab, so transfer will be smaller - as he has won squat all with Arsenal transfer should and probably will be a lot less than £60m

Also Barca are a lot less likely to splash the cash than RM - note how all the huge cash buys are usually RM, the Barca Ibra/Eto'o swap relies a lot on "paper value" to get the full price rather than actual cash

Strikers usually always get the bigger fees paid - there arent that many central midfielders who go for £30m+ in the last ten years, but list the amount of strikers..........

Fab really wants to move this summer - that takes away a lot of Arsenal's bargaining power also

edit - as for going this summer or not depending on what Barca can afford , nothing is stopping Barca offering £30m this summer + £30m next summer..........how much they have to spend today is practically irrelevant in this particular transfer (not only because Wenger is unlikely to use anything like £30m in the first place)
 
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drunkenmaster said:
Barca haven't "poached" a single player from us. Wenger constantly poaches cheap young players from everyone else, its hardly something to complain about in regards to Barcelona going after Cesc.
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I never said they "Poached" any players from us. I was saying they are normally the ones who get our best players.

And as for telling people they cant moan is the biggest LOL this year when it comes from you.

Pot...kettle....black...:rolleyes:
 
Tom84 said:
Not sure I agree with the first point, players these days seem to peak much earlier than the 28/29 age that 'the experts' seems to drone on about. Ronaldo albeit had a injury hit first season in Spain hasn't taken his game to another level if anything from what I've seen has somewhat become less explosive than he was in 2008 (I include his final season with us in that)

Personally I cant see Fabregas' game going to another level, the only thing he might well do is add goals as a consistent part of his game rather than having 1 really good goal scoring season followed by a relativity poor one. Playing at Barca will no doubt make true use of his ability though so whether or not you class that as him improving or not is all subjective.

I agree though that should Milner go for 30m and Fabregas only fetch the same or say 10m more it wont be a fair reflection on gulf in class between the two but the major difference will be that one is English going from one English club to another ergo making one of Villa's direct competition stronger whereas Fabregas will be moving country's/leagues
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You are all looking at the prices rhe wrong way round. 30 million for fiberglass is reasonable, if not a little inflated, 30 million for milner is just plain stupidity. Its not fiberglass is worth a billion pounds because milner is worth 30 million, is rather fiberglass is worth 30 million and milner is not worth anywhere near that, he's not even a fifteen million pound player. Its a question of desirability over worth, just like the car market.
 
Well when you consider that a lot of articles were stating that Blackpool have just gaurenteed £60m of income (or something like that) at the very least just by winning the play off, 1/2 that amount for any player in one sense doesnt sound that much

Remember any price mentioned by a manager at this stage is over inflated anyway because they expect to lose some of that amount in any future negotiations, and it also shows the player how much he is worth to the team (never a bad thing from a club's point of view)
 
And we are in a World Cup summer as well. When hopes and dreams will be dashed and some super flop will make his may to the EPL based on one good game in the World Cup.
 
Ah yes, somewhere on the planet the next 'world class' Diouf is sitting eating his cornflakes.

Rumour has it that Sol is seriously thinking about going to Celtic. Wouldn't blame him to be honest, but would be slightly disappointed. Not only is that less on Sylvester to move away, but the Englishman did well last year. He'd be useful in more ways than one was a squad player.
 
Other good news today is that uefa are detailing their plans to not issue a uefa license to any club that spends more than its turn over. So that will render all these argumnts pointless.
 
People saying that £30m is an acceptable price for Cesc have got things a bit skewy...

-the relatively 'low' (and yes I realised £34.5mil is still a fortune) David Villa price isn't really comparable, the guy is already 28, and as a pacy striker, has got ~5 years left in him at the top level as an absolute maximum... He might be a better player now, but Cesc is worth more in the long term, no doubt.

- Who do we think are the other genuinely top class offensive-minded central midfielders in the world at the moment aside from Fabregas? In the Premier League: Scholes, Gerrard, Lampard | In Spain: Iniesta, Kaka, Xavi | Italy: Sneijder... It's not a long list is it?! Maybe I should include people like Essien, De Rossi, & Cambiasso, but they, in my opinion, are more defensively-minded.
Fabregas is the youngest player on that list by a considerable margin, and it means our chances of directly replacing him with a player of the same calibre are 0. We'd have to buy young and develop them... It also means Barcelona don't have any other options in buying. That's a good bargaining position for Arsenal in trying to extract a higher fee.

-He isn't just our best player, he's the captain and he has a 4 year contract with us, the club don't want to sell. All things that drive the price up.

-That he was their youth player is totally by-the-by, he's been with us twice as long as he was at La Masia.

- The inflated market doesn't just apply to players wanted by City, Chelsea, or anyone else with more money than fans, it bumps prices up everywhere. City paid ~£33mil for a workshy bench-warmer who spent half the season on vacation in Brazil at a team that was only playing in the state championship at the time! Real Madrid paid £58.7mil for Kaka, a player who is older, and was of equal significance to Milan as Cesc is to Arsenal. Chelsea paid over £30mil for a hilarious Ukrainian flop, and let's not forget £30mil was also the going rate for Berba, and I don't need to stick the boot in there, united fans have already been doing so!
We should be looking at £40m as an absolute minimum...but even if he went for that I would feel a bit robbed.


oh and a small aside... Barca robbed Petit off of us too, don't forget! Barca's transfer policy involves buying an Arsenal player every other year for the hell of it...
 
[ASSE]Hinchy;16623854 said:
I read somewhere that Barcelona claim to have £30m left in their kitty to spend on Fabregas. To think they could get him for that is pretty insulting and disrespectful to Arsenal. They are unsettling a player which they are admitting they can't afford. As has been said above Arsenal should not let him go for less than £40m in today's market.

I think Fabregas knows his value to Arsenal and I would like to think that he is professional enough and sensible enough to accept that if Barcelona can't afford him this summer, he should honour another year of his contract until next summer when Barcelona can make signing him their number one priority.

The value of Villa's transfer is also very different as Valencia are not in a great financial state and he is a lot close to the end of his career than Fabregas is. Arsenal meanwhile can afford not to sell Fabregas and he still has many years in the game ahead of him.
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Well said :)

If and when Fabregas goes...we dont accept anything less than £50mill simple as that...its time Wenger started making some serious money on our players and knowing how important Fabregas is....if Barca want him the pay up or shut up :)

Saying that SSN reporting that Wenger is looking at Fulhams GK, Schwarzer or whatever his name is...he seems a good GK from what i have seen of him.
 
Spawn said:
Saying that SSN reporting that Wenger is looking at Fulhams GK, Schwarzer or whatever his name is...he seems a good GK from what i have seen of him.
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He is a good Goalkeeper, but I think Arsenal need someone... Better. I have nothing against Scwarzer, but I think Arsenal should be looking at people of the highest calibre. Joe Hart would be nice, but I don't think they have much chance of getting him. :p
 
Apparently the Palermo defender Simon Kjaer wants to come to England and has a 10mill release clause that expires tonight. Surely he's worth a punt for one of the English clubs at that price?
 
As has been said, if arsenal sell fabregas for less than £40mil then they are mugs. He's young, has a long contract and arsenal don't need the money. He is world class and I would despair if I was an arsenal fan and they sold him for £30mil.
 
DanH84 said:
Apparently the Palermo defender Simon Kjaer wants to come to England and has a 10mill release clause that expires tonight. Surely he's worth a punt for one of the English clubs at that price?
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I think the only problem is his wage demand. Rumour has it (well...we're in the thread for them) that Spurs in January baulked at £100k/week.

Still, him or Cahill at £30m (lol)...
 
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