** Official ** Summer 2010 Transfer Thread - Signings, Sightings and Rumor's in Here

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bloodline76 said:
Especially as he has four years left on his contract. I am dreading the actual sell price though. :(
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If the rumours are right and Arsenal won't budge on the £60M or so, then fair play to them. But I can just see him going for something ridiculously low because he's only gonna go to one club and Wenger won't stand in his way.

£16M for Henry was shocking, but if Cesc goes for less than (at the very least) £40M - they will lose stature as a club imo. Especially when you consider Kaka was bought for £56M (or whatever it was) and he was a lot older and didn't have as long left on his contract. Fabregas is near enough the complete CM and at 23 with 5 years on his contract, Arsenal should hold out for a price to reflect that.
 
BFCTom said:
If the rumours are right and Arsenal won't budge on the £60M or so, then fair play to them. But I can just see him going for something ridiculously low because he's only gonna go to one club and Wenger won't stand in his way.

£16M for Henry was shocking, but if Cesc goes for less than (at the very least) £40M - they will lose stature as a club imo. Especially when you consider Kaka was bought for £56M (or whatever it was) and he was a lot older and didn't have as long left on his contract. Fabregas is near enough the complete CM and at 23 with 5 years on his contract, Arsenal should hold out for a price to reflect that.
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I dont think i would even be happy with £40m if Milner is looking to go for around £30m. Lets hope he goes out on a high and helps us with a decent price for him.
 
40-60m for Fabregas? :eek:

Last summer for the sake of football HAS to be a one off, hopefully Villa going to Barca for a respectable 35m is a sign of things to come this summer
 
DanH84 said:
if we live in a world where Ronaldo is worth 80m then fabregas has to be worth 55-60m. he's phenomonal.
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Yet has never bossed the midfield area in a big game against a Man Utd, Chelsea or Liverpool, whilst that could be argued is down to the lack of quality around him I wouldn't at this point put him ahead of Xavi or Iniesta

30m seems fairly reasonable IMO, people seem to forget that before last summer only Zidane had reached over that price tag and lets be honest it would be a joke to compare Fabregas to Zidane

Ronaldo when he was bought was currently the world player of the year so commanded that kind of fee, Fabregas isn't the best player in the world (probably not even the best player in his position in the world) so doesn't command that
 
taking into account inflation are you saying that Ronaldo was worth 25-30m more than Zidane?

and yes I am, Fabregas is fantastic, and will be in my opinion better than either xavi or iniesta within 3 years. at that point you'll still have 5 years of top class action out of him.


Ronaldo is worth more, both in terms of ability and position carrying a naturally higher value but to argue he is twice the value Fabregas is is a bit insulting.
 
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DanH84 said:
taking into account inflation are you saying that Ronaldo was worth 25-30m more than Zidane?

and yes I am, Fabregas is fantastic, and will be in my opinion better than either xavi or iniesta within 3 years. at that point you'll still have 5 years of top class action out of him.
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It was always going to take breaking the Zidane fee to sign Ronaldo though that's the thing and after Madrid smashed the 47m to sign Kaka for 56m it was always going to take more than that to sign Ronaldo

Personally I think the prices banded about for players these days is a joke (as I'm sure most do), it seems that every top player these days will cost you at least 30m and as we're seeing with Milner even the ok players are now commanding these fee's

Like I said Villa moving for 35m will hopefully put a start for putting prices into perspective and Fabregas should fetch a similar fee, it's almost a given that his price will start at 30m but should go certainly go no higher than 40m

DanH84 said:
Ronaldo is worth more, both in terms of ability and position carrying a naturally higher value but to argue he is twice the value Fabregas is is a bit insulting.
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Not really when Ronaldo is genuine world class (something else that is banded about all too easily). Fabregas isn't world class in the sense that he's one of the top 3 players in the world. He's just a very very very very good player.
 
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Tom84 said:
Yet has never bossed the midfield area in a big game against a Man Utd, Chelsea or Liverpool, whilst that could be argued is down to the lack of quality around him I wouldn't at this point put him ahead of Xavi or Iniesta

30m seems fairly reasonable IMO, people seem to forget that before last summer only Zidane had reached over that price tag and lets be honest it would be a joke to compare Fabregas to Zidane

Ronaldo when he was bought was currently the world player of the year so commanded that kind of fee, Fabregas isn't the best player in the world (probably not even the best player in his position in the world) so doesn't command that
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Well for a heavily injured season he didnt do too bad.

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35 app 19 goals

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6 app 3 goals

Its not just about how good he is now, its about how good he will become. I see in the next season or two him becoming the best player in the world in that position.

The transfer prices still havent come down in price. Milner will go for nothing less than £26m I think. If thats what we are going by then asking £40 - £60m isnt crazy.
 
I have always thought Fabregas, whilst ridiculously good for his age early on, is still pretty lightweight and needs a solid midfield around him to really let him play well.

Obviously Arsenal fans will tell me different but the talk of £60million etc is just plain madness.

Then again, if you don't want to sell a player, it's the sort of figure to put on his head.

However, if Fabregas comes out and says he wants to leave then they should be prepared to accept something around £30million because there is no way he should demand a fee more than that.

Fabregas whilst a very good player, isn't exactly carrying Arsenal and in my opinion, doesn't do much when he comes up against an aggressive midfield. So I would take the money, let the lad go back to his hometown club and use the money to strengthen the squad.

Arsenal fans should know that Fabregas leaving isn't going to stop them being a top four side. They have bigger problems than creativity as we all know! They need a striker to finish the chances off!
 
bloodline76 said:
Its not just about how good he is now, its about how good he will become. I see in the next season or two him becoming the best player in the world in that position.

The transfer prices still havent come down in price. Milner will go for nothing less than £26m I think. If thats what we are going by then asking £40 - £60m isnt crazy.
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Not sure I agree with the first point, players these days seem to peak much earlier than the 28/29 age that 'the experts' seems to drone on about. Ronaldo albeit had a injury hit first season in Spain hasn't taken his game to another level if anything from what I've seen has somewhat become less explosive than he was in 2008 (I include his final season with us in that)

Personally I cant see Fabregas' game going to another level, the only thing he might well do is add goals as a consistent part of his game rather than having 1 really good goal scoring season followed by a relativity poor one. Playing at Barca will no doubt make true use of his ability though so whether or not you class that as him improving or not is all subjective.

I agree though that should Milner go for 30m and Fabregas only fetch the same or say 10m more it wont be a fair reflection on gulf in class between the two but the major difference will be that one is English going from one English club to another ergo making one of Villa's direct competition stronger whereas Fabregas will be moving country's/leagues
 
JC-Retro said:
I have always thought Fabregas, whilst ridiculously good for his age early on, is still pretty lightweight and needs a solid midfield around him to really let him play well.

Obviously Arsenal fans will tell me different but the talk of £60million etc is just plain madness.

Then again, if you don't want to sell a player, it's the sort of figure to put on his head.

However, if Fabregas comes out and says he wants to leave then they should be prepared to accept something around £30million because there is no way he should demand a fee more than that.

Arsenal fans should know that Fabregas leaving isn't going to stop them being a top four side. They have bigger problems than creativity as we all know! They need a striker to finish the chances off!
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With the amount of goals he scores and the amount of assists he gets at Arsenal as well he will be immense for Barca.

If Arsenal had a Messi in their side Fabregas would have another 10-20 assists for the season. Saying he doesnt deserve more than £30m is a complete joke.

And we have a striker who can match anyone on his day in RVP. We just need a fit striker :p
 
Tom84 said:
Not sure I agree with the first point, players these days seem to peak much earlier than the 28/29 age that 'the experts' seems to drone on about. Ronaldo albeit had a injury hit first season in Spain hasn't taken his game to another level if anything from what I've seen has somewhat become less explosive than he was in 2008 (I include his final season with us in that)

Personally I cant see Fabregas' game going to another level, the only thing he might well do is add goals as a consistent part of his game rather than having 1 really good goal scoring season followed by a relativity poor one. Playing at Barca will no doubt make true use of his ability though so whether or not you class that as him improving or not is all subjective.

I agree though that should Milner go for 30m and Fabregas only fetch the same or say 10m more it wont be a fair reflection on gulf in class between the two but the major difference will be that one is English going from one English club to another ergo making one of Villa's direct competition stronger whereas Fabregas will be moving country's/leagues
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Ronaldo (and Higuain to an extent) carried Real this season, they would have been miles behind Barca without his (their) goes. He's looked just as "explosive" for Real this season as he did at Man Utd.

Fabregas has literally just turned 23, he a fair few years from his peak but already sensational. He's got a head start on a hell of a lot of players his age, due to having played lots of first team top level games already and having captained his club.

The price between the Milner and Fabregas transfers will be affected by a few things. Cesc only wants to go to Barca, they know that and Wenger knows that. Milner could probably have the pick of a few clubs, meaning City have to pay top dollar to attract him. Also the point Tom84 mentions about selling to a team in direct competition is again, a major factor.

I still think if they accept less than £40M in the end they are a joke. They've got to hold out for at least that. Man Utd were reluctant sellers when Ronaldo went but they got their price, Arsenal should be striving to do the same with Cesc.
 
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Ronaldo is a natural goal scorer, he was always going to score goals and being one of the two best players in the world he was always going to be Madrid's best player this season (or the one that gets all the head lines anyway) but his all round game has not been what it was at his peak seasons at United

Not in my opinion anyway
 
BFCTom said:
Ronaldo (and Higuain to an extent) carried Real this season, they would have been miles behind Barca without his (their) goes. He's looked just as "explosive" for Real this season as he did at Man Utd.

Fabregas has literally just turned 23, he a fair few years from his peak but already sensational. He's got a head start on a hell of a lot of players his age, due to having played lots of first team top level games already and having captained his club.

The price between the Milner and Fabregas transfers will be affected by a few things. Cesc only wants to go to Barca, they know that and Wenger knows that. Milner could probably have the pick of a few clubs, meaning City have to pay top dollar to attract him. Also the point Tom84 mentions about selling to a team in direct competition is again, a major factor.

I still think if they accept less than £40M in the end they are a joke. They've got to hold out for at least that. Man Utd were reluctant sellers when Ronaldo went but they got their price, Arsenal should be striving to do the same with Cesc.
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Its a shame that there is only one team he will leave for. If Real had a chance I think we would easily get £50-60m for him. But its either Barca or nothing.

I am hoping nothing ;)

I still think we will end up with only spending about £10-15m on new players though. Look at how much we got for selling the last bunch. About £40m. How much did we spend? £10-12m?

Its nice to have a stable club and do well(ish) each year but its very frustrating being so close to silverware but never quite getting it. At least RVP is too injury prone for one of the big teams to come in and get him. That would be very depressing if he went as well. Looks like he will be the new captain and then we can say goodbye to him next season :p

Wiltshere will be our captain before we know it lol
 
There's a lot hingeing on outgoings that will determine inbound transfers at Arsenal.

Wenger's saying there will be definitely 1-2 defensive unit (by this I'm thinking he means GK, back four and DM) signings at least, but I think if Sol and Gallas leave that might be made 3.

He seems happy with the attacking side of the team, but if Cesc departs then a replacement will probably be signed. I've been hearing Gourcuff and Hazard a lot as potential replacements, although neither are on Fabregas' level imo.

The worst outcome of this summer for Arsenal would be losing Fabregas and not buying a goalkeeper. I would have no sympathy for Wenger then, he would deserve all the criticism he gets.
 
BFCTom said:
There's a lot hingeing on outgoings that will determine inbound transfers at Arsenal.

Wenger's saying there will be definitely 1-2 defensive unit (by this I'm thinking he means GK, back four and DM) signings at least, but I think if Sol and Gallas leave that might be made 3.

He seems happy with the attacking side of the team, but if Cesc departs then a replacement will probably be signed. I've been hearing Gourcuff and Hazard a lot as potential replacements, although neither are on Fabregas' level imo.

The worst outcome of this summer for Arsenal would be losing Fabregas and not buying a goalkeeper. I would have no sympathy for Wenger then, he would deserve all the criticism he gets.
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I dont think he will get a DM. He is happy with Songs progress in that position and thinks Denilson and Diaby can fill in when he is out. Not that I completely agreed but thats how it is.

With Gallas almost certain to leave with his lack of friends at the club and wage demands, and Silvestra going (I hope). I think Campbell will get another season contract though.

I would love to see a world class goalie coming in but I doubt that will happen.

With Fabregas I dont even think he will replace him. I think Nasri will step into his shoes and I think he will do a good job too. Attacking midfielders arent something we are short of.

I would like to see a goalie, two CB's and a DM (For either cover or to challenge Song for the position). We have another striker and with RVP, Ed, Bendtner and Walcott I think we will be fine upfront seeing as we usually only play one of them.
 
I read somewhere that Barcelona claim to have £30m left in their kitty to spend on Fabregas. To think they could get him for that is pretty insulting and disrespectful to Arsenal. They are unsettling a player which they are admitting they can't afford. As has been said above Arsenal should not let him go for less than £40m in today's market.

I think Fabregas knows his value to Arsenal and I would like to think that he is professional enough and sensible enough to accept that if Barcelona can't afford him this summer, he should honour another year of his contract until next summer when Barcelona can make signing him their number one priority.

The value of Villa's transfer is also very different as Valencia are not in a great financial state and he is a lot close to the end of his career than Fabregas is. Arsenal meanwhile can afford not to sell Fabregas and he still has many years in the game ahead of him.
 
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