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I just unlocked the Panther Ausf. D and find myself going against M48's and IS-4's in RB. Wth?! I checked all my other units in the line-up, including planes but none of them are higher than the 5.7 BR for the Ausf. D, so I don't think I'm tripping myself up here.
 
Well gentlemen, I have some news for you... but, despite being a native English speaker with a good grasp of basic numeracy, I'll be damned if I can explain it easily! :(

Basically, Gaijin have changed the formula they're using to calculate air arcade battle ratings - official thread can be found here:

http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/211894-updated-br-calculation-for-arcade-air-battles/

The overall reaction seems to be that they've largely stuffed things up yet again, with most of even the regular forum people unable to work out quite what's going on.

Nabbed this screenie off the official forum, just to show how lol-worthy the matchmaking is being now... so yeah, let's bring out our 3.3 lineups, only to get massacred by severely higher tiered players! :( :confused:

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On the 'plus' side, if I'm understanding it right that makes it even easier for us to bring a single, or possibly even 2x 2.3 BR'd Russian planes (think Mig3-34, or i301, or premium P40) into a battle with biplanes.

Don't blame me, I don't make this **** up! :p :D

Images over 1,280 pixels wide should be placed in spoiler tags as I've done for you.

Cheers

Surveyor

(yes, I'm a special tard sometimes. Soweeee!)
 
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matt_fsr said:
... with most of even the regular forum people unable to work out quite what's going on.

Nabbed this screenie off the official forum, just to show how lol-worthy the matchmaking is being now... so yeah, let's bring out our 3.3 lineups, only to get massacred by severely higher tiered players! :( :confused:

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It appears that they are applying a two layered average to the battle ratings.
-Your top 3 planes in your lineup are averaged out to give a single figure.
-THIS figure is then used to put you into a game with things within 1BR of this average figure (In the image, everything is 3.3 lowest and 4.3 highest AFTER averaging).
-HOWEVER, because you can skew the average within your lineup, it may be possible to make yourself either way OP, way UP (Under Powered), or with only 1 or 2 planes that are competitive and the rest of your lineup full of duds.
-This is clearly 1. Very stupid. 2. Very bad, and 3. Able to be subverted for the good of OCUK (although only at random :( )

-What they SHOULD be doing is drop that 1BR slot down to 0.5BR, have the average over 4 planes, and insert a sub-calculation to pick up any odd-ducks with a massive BR compared to the rest, which would dump that player into matches with THAT BR so they can't use their OP plane against lower tiered guys and ruin a match for everyone. This would make it more skill-based (although maybe there should be a weak-effect sub calculation for player level in there, too). They then need to sort out the ratings of the planes, coz there are some that are WAY out, and even this calc' can't counter that.
 
Or maybe - just maybe - make it much much simplar and have them fight equal level (1-5)

Then its at least down to the skilled <muppets> who sort out there line ups so its either t1's, t2's, t3's etc etc etc

But hey - why do things easy
 
tcfreer said:
Or maybe - just maybe - make it much much simplar and have them fight equal level (1-5)

Then its at least down to the skilled <muppets> who sort out there line ups so its either t1's, t2's, t3's etc etc etc

But hey - why do things easy
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Wasn't that the old system before BR's? :D
 
We used to have 20 tiers... but it was too difficult for Gaijin to move planes between tiers to adjust for changes they made to a plane, or new planes they introduced.

Personally I hate having .3 and .7 something, when whole numbers are far easier to work with and calculate - but the official forum has been screaming for a drop in the matchmaking 'average' to a maximum difference of 0.7, yet Gaijin go ahead and ignore everyone, coming up with this garbage instead.

Oh well, poor seals!
 
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the prob there is matt that due to the new MM equation biplanes are outside the 0.3 BR calculation, so it only goes off the I-301's 2.3, putting you in one above, so biplanes in a 3.3 battle.

Theres no sense in trying to stack low tiers in anymore as shown it just doesnt work.

e: a true 2.3 troll lineup may aswell consist of LaGG's now, no point using anything outside 2.0-2.3
 
I dunno, I reckon we need to test this out tonight.
If this new calc' is as it appears to be, we could be thrown in with 4.0s or get a biplanes match if the I-301 is in, as both are supported by the MM.

And it's not just seals, Matt. If you want to play a 3.7 lineup there is equal chance of you seeing nooblets that you can decapitate at will, and fire-breathing 5.0s that will make your life hell.
Just imagine what this is going to do to tank battles, which are FUBAR enough already.
 
Why must gaijin be so gayjin! And why so convoluted a MM process. What's wrong with simply going off the max br you have in your line up. Tough luck if your lineup is unbalanced and you've got 1 5.7 plane and load of donkey 1.3's. I don't mind queuing a bit longer to be pitted against same level planes.
 
Thekwango said:
Why must gaijin be so gayjin! And why so convoluted a MM process. What's wrong with simply going off the max br you have in your line up. Tough luck if your lineup is unbalanced and you've got 1 5.7 plane and load of donkey 1.3's. I don't mind queuing a bit longer to be pitted against same level planes.
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This tbh!

Clearly people should be ranked against their best plane. If they are stupid enough to select massively different BRs its their fault. I try to use planes of similar BR for this very reason.:rolleyes:
 
OCPete said:
This tbh!

Clearly people should be ranked against their best plane. If they are stupid enough to select massively different BRs its their fault. I try to use planes of similar BR for this very reason.:rolleyes:
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For the most part, my entire British line-up is all around 3.0 - 3.7 :D
 
Playing the uber nerfed Germans :rolleyes: IMO you need to stick to from about BR3.7 to BR5.3. My preferance is probably the BR4-BR5 range. Although i do LOVE my BF109G-6 @ 5.3. BnZing bombers with triple 30's is most amusing!:p
 
OCPete said:
Playing the uber nerfed Germans :rolleyes: IMO you need to stick to from about BR3.7 to BR5.3. My preferance is probably the BR4-BR5 range. Although i do LOVE my BF109G-6 @ 5.3. BnZing bombers with triple 30's is most amusing!:p
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I'm finding the G6 very difficult now, I used to love the F2 and F4. The problem is that the armament without the 30mm pods is really quite weak, particularly against those sovietanium planes, which makes it slow to level up imo.

Really enjoying the 190-A5 at the moment though, very strong plane with good level of ammo. I find that more rewarding than the 109.
 
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