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Oh Dear, more ATI 58xx mysteries!!

Corran said:
Maybe not with something so new. I do remember I sent a 4870 back when they reportedly had no Powercolours left in stock and yet I still ended up a Powercolour afew days after they recieved my RMA.

It is a possiblity at least.
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yeah maybe with not so new hardware. but for the 5800 series which ocuk as a lot of pre-orders, i don't think they would hold afew back, because it would be unfar to the one's who have pre-ordered also they are finding it hard getting stocks
 
Full of Mysteries!

Ok here is an update,

tried my 5850 in mates pc, no overclocks, clean install of my windows 7, install drivers off cd, same problem - CCC and drivers would not install.

repeated the same procedure above but installed on his windows 7 pro - and same again, would not install.

Got home put 5850 back in, booted pc original symptons happened again on vista > drivers lost, could not install drivers on vista no more - i thought oh **** another OS not going to recognise my card.

Tried win7 for the last time and it worked! oddly enough, even the drivers from the amd ati site work aswell now, and stable where before nothing would work.

These cards, well for me at least have been plagued with mystery and odd behaviour. Ive tried loads of different methods on mine and mates pc, original sapphire bios, msi bios, formats, bios resets, vista, win 7 you name it all kinds of different setups.

It now seems to be working again on windows 7 - how long i dont know, but when it happens again its going back for RMA - ive never seen or know such inconsistency or bizarre happenings!

I cannot explain any of this, and sadly cant fathom the reason for any of this - which i hoped to of at least found a cause/solution.

we are baffled, lost for words, dont understand any of it.
 
I haven't read the entire thread - but after the drivers are "lost" have you tried a system restore to a date just before?
 
Rroff said:
I haven't read the entire thread - but after the drivers are "lost" have you tried a system restore to a date just before?
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yes done that, system restore completed > rebooted > drivers never came back, then would not reinstall, then the clean install of windows eventually had to be done, and then the same happened, would not install drivers or CCC.

seems to be running ok now on windows 7 > getting 32fps on gta iv max settings :)
 
how can it be windows???

1) used for 2 weeks or so on win7 perfect
2) drivers no longer recognised
3) no matter what i tried CCC and drivers not installing on Win7 RC, Win 7 home or Win7 pro after clean formats
4) works on vista perfect > then same happens drivers lost!
5) decides to work again on windows 7!

ok, problems with win7 are understandable with it been new etc, but then vista no longer recognises it > not so new OS!
 
Windows 7 does have its issues but so far I've not seen any other drivers having these kinda problems on windows 7 and reports of ATI drivers just dissapearing from the system have been around since the days of Windows 98.
 
Does the hardware work fine? Yes.
Do the drivers work fine? Yes.
Is windows having problems installing your drivers? Yes.

What is the logical conclusion from these three statements?
 
toon_mad said:
how can it be windows???

1) used for 2 weeks or so on win7 perfect
2) drivers no longer recognised
3) no matter what i tried CCC and drivers not installing on Win7 RC, Win 7 home or Win7 pro after clean formats
4) works on vista perfect > then same happens drivers lost!
5) decides to work again on windows 7!

ok, problems with win7 are understandable with it been new etc, but then vista no longer recognises it > not so new OS!
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It's a hardware issue, and I really do think it's got something to do with the bios flash you did.

Did you ever return it to the completely stock bios? Only, when I originally flashed my 4850s, they wouldn't install in windows either.

It doesn't help that your issues have been so inconsistent.

The fact that it wants to work again despite you doing nothing other than trying in a new PC?
 
kylew said:
It's a hardware issue, and I really do think it's got something to do with the bios flash you did.

Did you ever return it to the completely stock bios? Only, when I originally flashed my 4850s, they wouldn't install in windows either.

It doesn't help that your issues have been so inconsistent.

The fact that it wants to work again despite you doing nothing other than trying in a new PC?
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Yes tried original bios.

your spot on, there is no consistency.

worked fine on win7 for weeks > then wont run on win7 > ran on vista > then wont run on vista > now works on win7 (dont know how long though)

wouldnt install on 3 different version of win 7, now working on my win7.

theres no logic > if it was software related how would it work one minute, then not again after countless clean installs, hence the thread title "Oh Dear, more ATI 58xx mysteries!!"

just gonna have to sit it out hope it doesnt fluff up again :o
 
kylew said:
It's a hardware issue, and I really do think it's got something to do with the bios flash you did.

Did you ever return it to the completely stock bios? Only, when I originally flashed my 4850s, they wouldn't install in windows either.

It doesn't help that your issues have been so inconsistent.

The fact that it wants to work again despite you doing nothing other than trying in a new PC?
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I have to agree - we can't absolutely rule out issues caused by flashing a different firmware - even after apparently returning to a stock configuration.
 
Rroff said:
Its subjective as to if the drivers work fine or not.
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You could say it's subjective whether a key opens a door or not.

It's obviously not subjective.

I would say if it works, you have no issues, if it doesn't work then it's not fine.
 
Get over yaself I wasn't meaning ATI drivers in a wider sense :P

I meant in the context of this problem is subjective whether the dissapearing issue is an indication of software or hardware problems which means its subjective until proved otherwise if the software works fine or not. So we can't use it to logically conclude its an OS issue.
 
Rroff said:
Its subjective as to if the drivers work fine or not.
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It's hardly subjective if thousands of people have perfectly functioning cards and the drivers passed qa. I'm stubbornly sticking to my guns here, I've got a 4890 that refused to install in windows for two weeks (ironically working fine in linux) before I packed in and reinstalled windows with the card present, been golden ever since. Had a similar issue with a 3870 in Vista too.

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Flashing to one version of firmware then back to your own that you dumped yourself won't cause any issues unless the program doing the flashing messed up.
 
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Rroff said:
Get over yaself I wasn't meaning ATI drivers in a wider sense :P

I meant in the context of this problem is subjective whether the dissapearing issue is an indication of software or hardware problems which means its subjective until proved otherwise if the software works fine or not. So we can't use it to logically conclude its an OS issue.
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Get over my self? When did I mention it was in "defence" of ATi drivers? I said drivers working isn't subjective, they either work or they don't work .

Don't work involves not working as they should, or as know as problems. :confused:

I didn't think you were talking about ATi drivers at all, rather all or any drivers.

You're the none who complains the loudest here about people jumping to conclusions on others being "fanboys" or not.
 
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