Do you REALLY not understand what I've said?
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Oh Dear, more ATI 58xx mysteries!!
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Do you REALLY not understand what I've said?
Soldato
It would be a real shame if he was to RMA it and then get told after the card gets tested that it isn't faulty.
I've done this with motherboards, and it just prolongs the frustrations.
It seems really strange how the card works fine under Vista, but refuses to work in Win7..
Hopefully you will manage to figure out what the problem is after you test the card out in your mates system.
I've done this with motherboards, and it just prolongs the frustrations.
It seems really strange how the card works fine under Vista, but refuses to work in Win7..
Hopefully you will manage to figure out what the problem is after you test the card out in your mates system.
Soldato
You said: "Statistically speaking, he's far LESS likely to get a dodgy card second time running."
If the failure rate is, lets say, 1/10. So he what's the probability his first card fail? 1/10. Then he gets another card - what's the probability that one fails? 1/10. Then he gets another card - what's the probability that one fails? 1/10. I think you might see a pattern here. WHENEVER HE GETS A NEW CARD WHAT IS THE PROBABILITY IT WILL FAIL?
Oh and I think the word is LIKELIHOOD your looking for
You said: "Statistically speaking, he's far LESS likely to get a dodgy card second time running."
If the failure rate is, lets say, 1/10. So he what's the probability his first card fail? 1/10. Then he gets another card - what's the probability that one fails? 1/10. Then he gets another card - what's the probability that one fails? 1/10. I think you might see a pattern here. WHENEVER HE GETS A NEW CARD WHAT IS THE PROBABILITY IT WILL FAIL?
Oh and I think the word is LIKELIHOOD your looking for
No, actually:
If there are 1000 cards and the failure rate is 10%, that means there's around 100 duff cards going around.
For every duff card he gets as a replacement, that's a removal of one of the 100.
So now you're down to 99 duff cards, 900 perfectly fine ones.
That probability is no long 1/10. It's close, but it's not one out of ten, it's lower.
Let's put it in to more simple terms.
There's a box full of 1000 balls.
100 of them are blue, 900 of them are red. Every time a ball is taken at random, it alters the probability of picking a specific colour.
Remove 50 of those blue balls, and the chance of picking a blue ball out of the lot is no longer 10% it's 5%.
kylew, you seem to have an answer for everything, the last 2 pages on this thread have you debating about something or other - please, stop it 
kylew, you seem to have an answer for everything, the last 2 pages on this thread have you debating about something or other - please, stop it
I'm perfectly entitled to speak my opinion. There's nothing wrong with debating, if you're tired of it, simply ignore me. You don't HAVE to respond to anything I say.
well could you kindly do your free speech somewhere else, this thread is for discussing working/non working graphics card - not statistics of coloured balls and things
IF... you could be totally wrong..
when someone posts something in this thread you jump on it and say no it's actually so n so. so basicly if someone posts something in this thread 98% it'll be wrong in your eyes
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Soldato
Sure that's not a compound probability? The probability that a certain card will fail is 0.1, the same person buys two cards, the second cards probability that it will fail is also 0.1, the probability that they both fail is 0.1×0.1=0.01?
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Indeed. The chance of getting two faulty cards in a row is considerably less than getting a single faulty card, though that disregards other issues like general incompatibilities. Compound probability.
Soldato
kylew is right, plus its a mix of bayes theoreom...although in reality it will be a bit more complex as the population is not fixed
Soldato
I know someone that changed from Nv (and slated ATI) to ATI 
and loves it, no problems at all, and flashed BIOS to asus, and yes I believe it is overclocked thats why the BIOS was flashed to get around AMDs limits
and loves it, no problems at all, and flashed BIOS to asus, and yes I believe it is overclocked thats why the BIOS was flashed to get around AMDs limits
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Well OCUK just confirmed to me that my RMA 5870 is being replaced as faulty.
Subject to stock availability. !
So i wonder do i find myself at the head of the line or right at the bottom after they sell to as many new customers as they can
Subject to stock availability. !
So i wonder do i find myself at the head of the line or right at the bottom after they sell to as many new customers as they can
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if thats true thats good. but i really don't think so..
Maybe not with something so new. I do remember I sent a 4870 back when they reportedly had no Powercolours left in stock and yet I still ended up a Powercolour afew days after they recieved my RMA.
It is a possiblity at least.
Right, yet you're telling me I'm wrong, for complaining about other people saying things that I think is wrong.
I wonder how you've thought that out in your head?
Seems to be a few people in agreement with me anyway. Others seem bitter and angry that their hardware doesn't work.
I do apologise for taking away from the traumatic experience of faulty hardware.
your just point scoring now, stop throwing your toys out the pram for crying out loud.
what you going to argue about next, who took the last biscuit out the cookie jar?
what you going to argue about next, who took the last biscuit out the cookie jar?