On The Wagon... then in 'ere!
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Good going Mike, the longer you stick at it the easier it becomes.
I actually find myself naturally saying no to a drink without even thinking about it. In fact I won't be having anything till
the Xmas Jumpers Meet in London early December, at which point a couple of drinks I'll be on the floor.
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I've got a kindle copy of it. If there's a way for me to copy it and send it to electronically then I'll happily do so.
Your right it has got easier as the weeks have passed. Went out last night for a meal so I chose to be the driver which helped with not having a drink. I admit I would have loved to of had a pint but I didn't.
It's good to see you around again, hope your're doing ok.
Haven't had a drink in over three months now due to being on a hardcore diet and won't be having one until December 14th. I don't really feel any better for it, only used to drink at the weekends and very much enjoyed it and parties etc have been a lot less fun (though partially to do with strict food diet). Can't wait to sink a cocktail on the beach on the 14th.
Mmmmm, rum.
Mmmmm, rum.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Allen-Carrs-Easy-Control-Alcohol-ebook/dp/B004AHKC3O/ref=tmm_kin_title_0
Everyone needs to read this book. I have finished the audio book and quite frankly I feel manipulated by our culture.
Everyone needs to read this book. I have finished the audio book and quite frankly I feel manipulated by our culture.
Hi all I've been a heavy drinker since I was 18 I'm now 39 
I used to drink every night in the week and start before lunch on a weekend 
I've managed to stop during the week but as soon as Friday night comes around I think it's fine again.
So tomorrows stop day, I think allen carrs book for my kindle will help. Does anyone have any tips for the weekends? I just need to get though one and hopefully the rest will be easer.
I used to drink every night in the week and start before lunch on a weekend I've managed to stop during the week but as soon as Friday night comes around I think it's fine again.
So tomorrows stop day, I think allen carrs book for my kindle will help. Does anyone have any tips for the weekends? I just need to get though one and hopefully the rest will be easer.
Hi all I've been a heavy drinker since I was 18 I'm now 39
I've managed to stop during the week but as soon as Friday night comes around I think it's fine again.
So tomorrows stop day, I think allen carrs book for my kindle will help. Does anyone have any tips for the weekends? I just need to get though one and hopefully the rest will be easer.
You don't wear a tight wrong size shoe in order to take it off and feel how good it feels.
Read the book....It will blow your mind....I didn't drink last night and downloaded the audio book for free on Amazon.I listened to it all night for 8 hours and would usually have gone to Tesco's now to get my 8 bottles of 660ml stella. I have no urge to do so tonight. The book has really opened my eyes to what Carr calls poison and the picture plant trap effect.
Giving up drinking through will power is fallacy....Not drinking requires no will power at all. You actively welcome not drinking....Not denying yourself it.
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Indeed. It's amazing how we've all been conned isn't it?
I can see why people in the the past, for example in the Middle Ages, would prefer ale or cider to water. It was safer to drink than water for lots of past, and that made the benefits outweigh the downsides in those circumstances . We just don't seem to have realised that we no longer need it as a safe source of fluid, and now the downsides are all that's left!
Thanks, just downloaded the book and I'm going to start it tomorrow. The problem I have is I no after I stop I can never start again, dealing with things life throws at you like funerals etc and other problems means I have to do them sober, the though of that scares me sadly.
Do people seriously have no idea about the downsides to alcohol before consuming it? Sad state of affairs if so. Like anything, moderation is key.
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Thats was my view and the increased crap my ex GF throws at me on a regular basis with my daughter...I used Booze as a coping mechanism.
To deal with this stress...However after listening to the book..Things started to really make sense. The problems that I was blocking out with booze didn't go away when I woke up the next day feeling like crap...They were still there and quite frankly more of an issue as I was not in a good mental state to tackle them.
Carr calls it the mole hill and mountain effect. Many problems that arise can be seen as mole hills and we cope with them through the use of booze. However the next day these mole hills become mountains as our anxiety increases dues to the booze we have consumed the previous night...We get itchy...discontent...bored...ill...and we suddenly feel we cannot cope so we drink more to make the mountains mole hills again.
This coping mechanism Carr argues is pure illusion. The human being is equipped with all the chemicals it needs to cope on its own. Once we understand that we are not giving up anything and it fact we are becoming free Carr argues we relish the mole hills rather than running away from them and drinking to blot and numb them out.
Carr argues to be a heavy drinker requires massive amounts of will power....I paused the book at this point to really think about it. As I didn't get it.
And when I thought about it...he's actually correct. We know we should stop we know it is bad for us but will power keeps us drinking it!
Smokers and drinkers are highly stubborn individuals. Thats why he is against will power methods when giving up. Carr argues if we stop smoking or drinking we are not giving up anything.We are not missing out.
I have tried the will will power abstain method and quite frankly its sucks...I feel I'm punishing myself not allowing myself a drink. It doesn't work.
Why moderation. Give me 3 reasons why you drink?
I don't have to give you 3 I only need 1, I like it, nice and simple. When I was young I did also drink as it loosened me up as I was quite shy. This was when I first started pubbing at 16, and I soon got over that. I've never needed it as a crutch for anything. In fact when I was going through the darkest period of my life I was hardly drinking at all. I've only stopped now as the extra 5000 calories over a weekend is something I don't need as I need to lose weight.
Just because you have a problem with alcohol doesn't mean that other people can't enjoy it whilst being sensible. I like the taste, getting drunk with friends is fun and I have no problems controlling my consumption.
Taste- Is an excuse, Carr does a whole chapter on it.
Getting drunk- Means you have no control.
Fun, Really?
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