'Operation Trojan Horse' - jihadi plot to take over UK schools

bitslice said:
The idiocies of the Muslim faith include a fundamental and pernicious mysoginist attitude and progress right up to hacking people to death for spilling the milk.
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I'll accept that very few Christians propose death for anyone. Well, except criminals, and abortion doctors anyway. Buy they are vast swathes of Christianity who are every bit as misogynist as some Muslims (it is NOT universal amongst people of that faith either). A quick look at US politics, particularly in the South will show that. As will a read of these forums sometimes.
 
Meridian said:
But only because it's Islam. If a Christian Faith School preached that women should stay at home, that evolution was a fiction, and took tax-payer's money to organise a trip to (say) Bethlehem but only allowed Christians to go, how many of the people currently bleating about this would be condemning it? I should point out that a number of them are already doing one and two on that list at least. I agree some posters would, but most would be studiously avoiding the subject. Any school based on Faith is a stupid idea, and some of us predicted this would happen when the whole idea was started. But to condemn only the Muslim idiocies and not the idiocies of other faiths is bigotry. I'm happy to accept that it's not racism. Except when it is.
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We've had faith schools in this country since erm, we've had schools in this country. Let's not delude ourselves that this is a problem with anything other than a large extremist element in British Muslim communities and a lack of oversight of schools that was introduced with the tearing up of the 1944 Butler Education Act and introduction of Academies and Free Schools.

There are no significant problems with our Church of England schools, or Roman Catholic schools, or Jewish schools, or Hindu schools, or Sikh schools.
 
Meridian said:
I'll accept that very few Christians propose death for anyone. Well, except criminals, and abortion doctors anyway. Buy they are vast swathes of Christianity who are every bit as misogynist as some Muslims (it is NOT universal amongst people of that faith either). A quick look at US politics, particularly in the South will show that. As will a read of these forums sometimes.
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Misogyny amongst Christians is not because they are Christian, it's because they're ****. Misogyny amongst Muslims is directly because they are Muslims, That's the big difference
 
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scorza said:
We've had faith schools in this country since erm, we've had schools in this country. Let's not delude ourselves that this is a problem with anything other than a large extremist element in British Muslim communities and a lack of oversight of schools that was introduced with the tearing up of the 1944 Butler Education Act and introduction of Academies and Free Schools.

There are no significant problems with our Church of England schools, or Roman Catholic schools, or Jewish schools, or Hindu schools, or Sikh schools.
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I would say there is an issue with the ACE or CST Evangelical Christian schools, thankfully this isn't the majority of faith based schools in the UK.
 
Meridian said:
But there are vast swathes of Christianity who are every bit as misogynist as some Muslims (it is NOT universal amongst people of that faith either).
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I wouldn't have put them as comparable tbh?
Evangelical Christianity does limit the woman to family concerns and this is expected as part of the southern culture too.
Typical Islamic peasant culture differs from what they pretend is supposed to be the woman's role and she ends up being little more than breeding cattle.

The contentious point is how much of that retarded peasant culture is allowed to persist when they arrive in the UK. Within a closed society I can't see any government policy being about to protect them from family abuse, honour killings and FGM. Certainly their own community is either unwilling to act or actively condones such misogynist practices.
 
Trojan Horse report finds 'aggressive Islamist ethos' in schools: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-28349706

The government's report was compiled by retired senior police officer Peter Clarke, the former head of the Met Police's counter-terrorism unit. It is due to be published next week.

It says he found evidence of "sustained and co-ordinated agenda to impose upon children in a number of Birmingham schools the segregationist attitudes and practices of a hardline and politicised strain of Sunni Islam".

He also found evidence of a "co-ordinated, deliberate and sustained action to introduce an intolerant and aggressive Islamist ethos into some schools in the city".
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Id just like to ask everyone who's ever decided to argue pro Islamic immigration into this country, what do they think now?

Even I didn't expect so much so soon, but knowing the culture and the way it manifests itself how could they have ever not forseen incidents like this, localised or not, from occurring and how can they demonstrate that this is a positive movement for the uk as a whole m

I just don't get their (lack of) arguments in the pro immigration camp here.
 
Just one sect influencing hundreds if not thousands more? That's not a good thing.

The entire framework we've build to cater specifically for muslims and I guess urdu speakers as a whole has surely created a system in which they can thrive encouraging more growth in the population.

I just ask why, and for who's henefit?
 
Meridian said:
So..one particular sect is completely representative of an entire religion? That was rhetorical of course - I've seen enough of your posts here to know what your answer is likely to be.
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Indeed, but why not quote examples of the great contributions the other sects make to society instead. Give people an idea of just how ubiquitous and useful the followers of Islam can be, to British culture in British society.
That'll shut him right up.
 
Hikari Kisugi said:
Indeed, but why not quote examples of the great contributions the other sects make to society instead. Give people an idea of just how ubiquitous and useful the followers of Islam can be, to British culture in British society.
That'll shut him right up.
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I know right? The way they support and demonstrate this for key cultural issues in the uk right now such as equality, or freedom of speech etc is astounding.
 
On a slightly related note, has anyone seen the Facebook page about "cleaning up facebook" and this couple on there calling out to all religious people to delete anyone displaying any photos that as much as hint at nudity, or anyone who supports alcohol consumption, homosexuality, flaunting of your womanly curves, and all manner of other things. They make videos and post them up there, telling everyone they are going to delete their friends who don't abide by these rules they are setting (yeah I know, right!?). It doesn't sound much but when you watch their videos the whole thing makes me feel uncomfortable. It's extremism and it's pathetic.

I felt compelled to write a sarcastic comment about them lilving their lives through FB - I barely use the thing!! My comment was soon deleted, fascists! :p
 
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