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. I have heard of the ancient greek word atheos which means godless or without a god.'Operation Trojan Horse' - jihadi plot to take over UK schools
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. I have heard of the ancient greek word atheos which means godless or without a god.
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Agree with you but it is to be expected really.
Well, history shows we don't learn from history so baby and bathwater out it is!
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Not everyone was religious back then? It was commonly talked about, but it wasn't a de facto status of everyone.
Just because a person has religious beliefs does not mean that they cannot do evil unto others. It's up to them and their conviction whether they're doing it for the right/wrong reasons. By that I do not mean it is ever acceptable to kill/cheat/rob/hurt/do evil things in either revenge, or in the name of religion or whatever, but people's religion has very little to do with the way they behaved.
Greed, passion and other human emotions will always run powerfully through people's veins. Whether they're beliefs help to override those human emotions or not is entirely up to the individual.
Religion isn't about miracles, mitigating sin, or allowing you to do things in the name of God or whomever you believe in. It's a moral construct by which you choose to live your life - how you treat others around you, interact with people, and what you give back to your local community of the same or different "creed".
My life is richer for my beliefs, has made me more open minded, tolerant and compassionate. It has also made me think twice about certain things as a young man and a boy and now, not because of the fear of God or anything like that, but because I know that it was wrong, and people around me would be disappointed, and that I was raised better than that - however it was the way I was raised with a little bit of spiritual collaboration. It has enhanced my perception on life, on how I treat others and those around me.
In the right framework and with the right network I believe that religion adds more to life than takes away.
People are of course perfectly entitled to dismiss everything, that's their prerogative, and be as judgemental as they want (that's human nature) however I personally find that a little myopic and unnecessarily aggressive.
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Religion is not required to do any of the above. I try and do all of that in my life and I am not religious. The moral construct of religion is simply common decency that has been hijacked for a purpose for the so called pious.
It is good that religion has bought you all of those things. I beleive I have also developed in a similar way, and religion has not had any positive input into my life at all.
So, in essense, religion is not a requirement to live a good, honest, compassionate and well rounded life.
Each to their own, and if you find happyness in your religion, then it is not for me or anyone else to judge you. But if your adherence to your belief system starts to harm others, that is where I draw the line. I dont think any religion is inherently bad, it is the people that bend the essence of that religion to their own ends. It is us that are the problem, but I do think that religion acts as a catalyst.
We will only see an end to war if we are removed from the equation, or if our nature is removed from us.
If you were to knock on my door and try and extoll the virtues of your religion, I would not really be interested. I certainly would not be aggressive to you though. If you were to put your foot in the door as I attempt to close it and insist I listen, you would not find me so pleasant, though.
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Of course you don't, but in this day and age a lot of that is forgotten, and I think it still holds an importance to guide people or remind people.
It isn't necessary, I agree, but I don't see it doing any harm.
I never said it was necessary, but it is an add-on, and an enhancement/enrichment that some people can get from it, and adds things rather than being detrimental.
Of course it is each to their own
I never suggested anything else. I don't evangelise, but I'm not shy about it either. A belief structure that harms others doesn't have to be based solely around religion though does it? I agree that people use it as an excuse, because they are too weak willed or unable to see past their own indoctrination. However indoctrination != religion - brainwashing young men/women happens outside of religion, look at politics, sports, dietary choices etc...
All of these can act as a catalyst to do bad or extreme things - human nature can be totally irrational not everything is structured in the human brain or in human behaviour, if it was we'd all be robots or automatons which we're not. Generally humans are all individuals with their own personalities and often can make up their own minds - however group/peer pressure and mob mentality can override a lot of the values and what we hold dear.
Agreed - it has nothing to do with religion though - it is the human tribal instinct that still festers deed within ourselves.
I'd never do that, in fact I only talk about it here, because it helps to add context to my points of view. I seldom talk about my faith, even on facebook or anywhere else.
I, like you, cannot stand evangelism to the extent of pure aggressive blind rhetoric which serves nothing more than forcing opinions down one's throat - all that does is build aggression and negativity.
I'd like to consider myself very open minded, and to be honest, I'm not that hardcore in my beliefs, I believe we were given a brain and a mind of our own to do what we want with it. I choose to have a faith. Besides as I'm also keen on science having an open mind helps - but I find they work in a synergistic way rather than being mutually exclusive.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-27763113
Looks like there was something in these allegations after all. Made me chuckle when I heard the government say that all schools must promote 'British values' - but pandering to Muslims is a British value isn't it? /troll.
Looks like there was something in these allegations after all. Made me chuckle when I heard the government say that all schools must promote 'British values' - but pandering to Muslims is a British value isn't it? /troll.
I remember someone asking what was wrong with one group of people being the defacto majority in an area.
Well stuff like this really, when one ethnic group is large enough that it can wield power at the local Council/Civic level, then obviously they are going to use that power to make life more suited to their culture.
After all, who is left to vote against them?
This isn't what we expected when we created a democratic form of governance.
Fine if you are a politician who craves votes from anybody at all and has a house in the country, not so much if that was your local area that just got subsumed by a culture you don't actually like.
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Well stuff like this really, when one ethnic group is large enough that it can wield power at the local Council/Civic level, then obviously they are going to use that power to make life more suited to their culture.
After all, who is left to vote against them?
This isn't what we expected when we created a democratic form of governance.
Fine if you are a politician who craves votes from anybody at all and has a house in the country, not so much if that was your local area that just got subsumed by a culture you don't actually like.
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http://news.sky.com/story/1278744/trojan-horse-pupils-school-is-too-extreme
Sounds like a lot of fun!
Sounds like a lot of fun!
They said the findings were "shocking" which we knew all along anyways if these people are stupid enough to think these immigrants are going to let thier children grow up secular you are kidding.
If anything they might send the kids abroad now for education to Egypt and then they will come back for holidays. They have no intention of integrating and the best thing you can do is round up the whole family and send em on a flight to Turkey.
If anything they might send the kids abroad now for education to Egypt and then they will come back for holidays. They have no intention of integrating and the best thing you can do is round up the whole family and send em on a flight to Turkey.
School trips to Saudi Arabia (apparently cost the taxpayer £47 grand) and of course only Muslim pupils were allowed to go.
Which is taxpayer funded racism because when you go to Saudi Arabia there are roads to Mecca and Medina that are for Muslims only. They would not be even allowed near Mecca as a non Muslim.
Now that is the bunch of racists were letting in and all chummy with Labour. It makes me sick really what the scum have done to thier own country.
But only because it's Islam. If a Christian Faith School preached that women should stay at home, that evolution was a fiction, and took tax-payer's money to organise a trip to (say) Bethlehem but only allowed Christians to go, how many of the people currently bleating about this would be condemning it? I should point out that a number of them are already doing one and two on that list at least. I agree some posters would, but most would be studiously avoiding the subject. Any school based on Faith is a stupid idea, and some of us predicted this would happen when the whole idea was started. But to condemn only the Muslim idiocies and not the idiocies of other faiths is bigotry. I'm happy to accept that it's not racism. Except when it is.
it's very difficult for a devote Muslim who follows his religion to the letter to live in British society. Everywhere he goes in this country there is stuff that flies in the face of his view of religion. Women going around uncovered, smoking, drinking, eating pork and country full of kafirs, So is it really surprising they will always try to find ways to make the UK to be more to there liking.
And they have been for the last 20 years extremely successful at it. There was a woman on daily politics the other day and as soon as she started talking she pulled the race card, as long and Muslims keep doing this there will always be hate for them.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27736270
It doesn't help that time and again that moderate Muslim completely disappear when things like this happen, it gives the impression to the rest of the UK that all Muslim think like this. And when they do finally appear there condemnation is lacklustre and without conviction
And they have been for the last 20 years extremely successful at it. There was a woman on daily politics the other day and as soon as she started talking she pulled the race card, as long and Muslims keep doing this there will always be hate for them.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27736270
It doesn't help that time and again that moderate Muslim completely disappear when things like this happen, it gives the impression to the rest of the UK that all Muslim think like this. And when they do finally appear there condemnation is lacklustre and without conviction
TBH even though its illegal in America to teach prayer, religion is far more popular than it is in England. Teens going to Bible study. Isn't it 60% of Americans go to church? Crazy numbers that's for sure. A large percentage even believing in a young earth. Scary stuff.
See? The idiocies of the Christian Evangelical wing extends to denying evolution. Big deal.
The idiocies of the Muslim faith include a fundamental and pernicious mysoginist attitude and progress right up to hacking people to death for spilling the milk.
We have a lot of Christians in this country that basically fit right in and don't cause any trouble, however a proportion of muslims hate us and will never tolerate our way of life. Islam is a corrosive religion that will never tolerate our culture.
Any attempt at multiculturalism that includes muslims is doomed to failure.
I'll eat my Fedora if that changes in my lifetime
The moderate face of UK Islam is supposed to be the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB), except this time they have gone all out to condemn Ofsted for suggesting that there is the slightest issue with these
Now the Muslim Council of Britain used to be run by Muhammad Abdul Bari who wrote a document condemming UK State schools as basically not sucking up to Islam and the 1001 things it demands.
This document was also co-authored by Tahir Alam
Tahir Alam is the chairman of governors at Park View school,
Birmingham
See, they all link together and despite pretending they are the nice happy smiley face of Islam, they fooled everyone into ignoring their extremist agenda.
Stupid Labour run councils couldn't spot an muslim extremist plot if someone wrote them a letter explaining it all
