Oscar Pistorius thread

McBain said:
One person does.

The question I have is, looking at the layout of the house, why would a burglar walk past them sleeping, then lock themselves in the toilet? There's only one burglar I can think of that could be that, or more stupid, and that's the guy who tried to burgle Duncan Ferguson.
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Because perhaps the burglar broke in through the bathroom window as it might have been open at the time? Then closed and locked the door whilst he / she got whatever weapon and anything else needed ready to do whatever they were there to do? Speculation can go any which way tbh. What people do need to understand is that burglars and thieves in South Africa aren't masterminds, so there is no point trying to apply valid logic to any sort of situation where they might have an involvement. Some of the stupidest things happen over in SA. I know this first hand, I was born there and spent the first 18 years of my life there.

I know it doesn't excuse anyone's actions, but you have no idea what it is like to be woken up by noises at night in SA. It is a horrific feeling, particularly since everyone that lives there knows for an absolute fact that if someone is in your house, they almost always mean to do you hard first.

It really doesn't surprise me about this police farce now. I told my wife that I wouldn't believe a word that they say on TV. Corruption and foul play is absolutely rife in the SAP.
 
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That doesnt work, the burglar broke in through the window, then turns left and locks themselves in the much smaller toilet cubicle, effectively depriving themselves of the only exit point they have? Why not ready their 'equipment' in the bathroom having failed to do it before, instead of finding the most obvious unmaneuverable spot in the whole room and locking yourself in there? makes no sense.
 
Sleepless said:
That doesnt work, the burglar broke in through the window, then turns left and locks themselves in the much smaller toilet cubicle, effectively depriving themselves of the only exit point they have? Why not ready their 'equipment' in the bathroom having failed to do it before, instead of finding the most obvious unmaneuverable spot in the whole room and locking yourself in there? makes no sense.
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As irrelevant as the point is (given the absence of an intruder) there is a window in the small bathroom too
 
Looking at the floor plan here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21528631

I don't see how his story makes any sense? Correct me if i am wrong but i thought he said he woke up and closed the balcony windows/doors and then heard the noise he thought was an intruder....well the balcony doors are in the bedroom where Reeva would have been sleeping,a few metres away from him. We are meant to believe he didnt even give a cursory glance over to the bed or even a quick feel on the bed to see if she was there? Instead he just went straight for his gun, marched into the toilet and shot through the locked toilet door :confused:

It is rubbish.
 
Jono8 said:
Looking at the floor plan here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21528631

I don't see how his story makes any sense? Correct me if i am wrong but i thought he said he woke up and closed the balcony windows/doors and then heard the noise he thought was an intruder....well the balcony doors are in the bedroom where Reeva would have been sleeping,a few metres away from him. We are meant to believe he didnt even give a cursory glance over to the bed or even a quick feel on the bed to see if she was there? Instead he just went straight for his gun, marched into the toilet and shot through the locked toilet door :confused:

It is rubbish.
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You are missing the bit from his defence though where he went out on to the balcony, while on his stumps, to get a pedestal fan, before returning and closing the door.

So Reeva could have slipped out of bed without him hearing. The Prosecution also noted in court that they tested that at night, with the lights off it is pitch black.
 
The main doubt in my mind about whether there is any credence to his version of events is whether she was still alive as he carried her down the stairs as I think has been suggested. For this to be the case and if he had shot her on purpose, he would have to have immediately regretted doing what he did, bashed the door down and raised the alarm immediately. If on the other hand there was any time spent staging things, or thinking about getting his story straight, she would surely have died before he got his act together. Or if he was till in devious mode he would have simply waited until he was sure she was dead before doing anything, just in case she was saved and could reveal what happened. Now he could have paniced of course, having just commited a crime of passion, and not thought *any* of this through, including covering himself, other than the basic intruder idea. So, whilst I don't really believe his story, it does throw a little bit of doubt on things. All hinges on whether she was actually alive when the independant witnesses showed up.
 
StooM said:
As irrelevant as the point is (given the absence of an intruder) there is a window in the small bathroom too
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Presuming the layout is accurate, that window is not even the width of the toilet, whereas the other one takes up the whole wall. In fact, looking at the pictures of the bathroom, there doesnt seem to be a window in the cubicle at all.

Anyway, im sure both sides could be argued until youre blue in the face, which is whats going to happen here, only theyll be getting paid for it!
 
Nexus said:
You are missing the bit from his defence though where he went out on to the balcony, while on his stumps, to get a pedestal fan, before returning and closing the door.

So Reeva could have slipped out of bed without him hearing. The Prosecution also noted in court that they tested that at night, with the lights off it is pitch black.
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Which is highly likely that she had slipped out of bed as he was out on the balcony as they have confirmed that her bladder was empty when she died.
 
Nexus said:
You are missing the bit from his defence though where he went out on to the balcony, while on his stumps, to get a pedestal fan, before returning and closing the door.

So Reeva could have slipped out of bed without him hearing. The Prosecution also noted in court that they tested that at night, with the lights off it is pitch black.
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So you go out to the balcony, come back in, hear a noise that you are not sure about down the hall, and you don't immediately check if your girlfriend is still in bed....the bed that is about a metre away from you at this point?

It is nonsense.
 
StooM said:
There were ladders outside the bathroom window - presumably he believed they came in that way.
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Then locked themselves inside? I can see a lot of burgling/killing going on from in there.

CHokKA said:
Because perhaps the burglar broke in through the bathroom window as it might have been open at the time? Then closed and locked the door whilst he / she got whatever weapon and anything else needed ready to do whatever they were there to do?
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Aye, that's pretty believable.

Regardless of whether it was premeditated or not, i'm assuming there must be some sort of charge whether the jury believe his **** and bull story or not? Surely you can't just go around blasting away in the name of self defense, and there not be repercussions?
 
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You cant see the bathroom window because the orientation of the cubicle shot doesnt match the first, but whatever he believed, he must have been fairly certain his target was sitting on the toilet and not anywhere else. Maybe he feared the burglar was using the facilities?

Also why do you think you need a cricket bat to break down a door? How does a cricket bat help?
 
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Sleepless said:
Presuming the layout is accurate, that window is not even the width of the toilet, whereas the other one takes up the whole wall. In fact, looking at the pictures of the bathroom, there doesnt seem to be a window in the cubicle at all.

Anyway, im sure both sides could be argued until youre blue in the face, which is whats going to happen here, only theyll be getting paid for it!
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Haha, you're not wrong about the second point.

I've heard (on more than one occasion) that intruders/burglars are often taking a child with them to put through open but barred windows to then unlock doors from the inside - not inconceivable that the same could happen with a small bathroom window.

Edit: The above plan is wrong according to the plans in court/guardian - the toilet is under the window, with the door opening to the right - clear line of site from the passageway

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I think he will get bail, the prosecution so far wouldn't look out of place in a Carry On film.

Even if Oscar's story is correct it still bothers me that he was so gung ho about killing whoever it was without asking any questions, it's almost like he wanted it to be a burglar so he could shoot them and add to his reputation as being a hero.
 
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mmj_uk said:
I think he will get bail, the prosecution so far wouldn't look out of place in a Carry On film.

Even if Oscar's story is correct it still bothers me that he was so gung ho about killing whoever it was without asking any questions.
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Which is pretty much exactly why he will get away with it, rich, jumped up lawyer vs some clowns off the street.
 
Jono8 said:
So you go out to the balcony, come back in, hear a noise that you are not sure about down the hall, and you don't immediately check if your girlfriend is still in bed....the bed that is about a metre away from you at this point?

It is nonsense.
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Its not totally inconceivable in a pitch black room though is it?
Which is why there are so many doubts over what the prosecution has offered up so far.

It doesn't change that he was an idiot to have not checked before shooting a gun through a closed door, if as described in his affidavit, its a hasty mistake that has cost him everything.
 
Thinking more about bail, if he is granted it. Does South Africa have monitoring services and tagging and such like in this country?

He isn't a risk to anyone, yes he has the money to flee, but he and this case is incredibly well known.

Surely the biggest risk of all if granted bail is himself, he may commit suicide.
 
Nexus said:
Its not totally inconceivable in a pitch black room though is it?
Which is why there are so many doubts over what the prosecution has offered up so far.

It doesn't change that he was an idiot to have not checked before shooting a gun through a closed door, if as described in his affidavit, its a hasty mistake that has cost him everything.
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But he found his gun in a pitch black room didn't he.

Not really been following much but where was the gun kept.
 
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