Oscar Pistorius thread

mattyg · 21 Feb 2013 at 12:39

Jokester said:
He's on pubic record as saying he kept a handgun on his bedside table.

Bedside table I assume then its beside the bed. The same bed where his Girlfriend wasn't lying in at the time.

The same bed he had to walk over to in the pitch black fumbling for his gun without noticing that his girlfriend was no longer in bed

You'd think if he thought there was an intruder he would have whispered to his girlfriend to stay calm, stay quiet and call the police

Jokester · 21 Feb 2013 at 12:41

mattyg said:
Bedside table I assume then its beside the bed. The same bed where his Girlfriend wasn't lying in at the time.

The same bed he had to walk over to in the pitch black fumbling for his gun without noticing that his girlfriend was no longer in bed

If it was dark, how could he see she wasn't there - he explicitly knew where his gun was.

Jono8 · 21 Feb 2013 at 12:48

Jokester said:
If it was dark, how could he see she wasn't there - he explicitly knew where his gun was.

Would you not check!!? It makes no sense!

Would you shoot into your closed toilet if you knew that at least one other person was living with you in your home and without making sure it is not them in that toilet. NO!

McGray · 21 Feb 2013 at 12:49

Jono8 said:
Would you not check!!? It makes no sense!

Would you shoot into your closed toilet if you knew that at least one other person was living with you in your home and without making sure it is not them in that toilet. NO!

Not sure what people find hard to grasp about this lol.

Maybe singletons that live alone....

C.R.A.Z.Y · 21 Feb 2013 at 12:49

Oscar is a cold blooded murderer, if he gets anything less than a murder conviction it'll be a horrendous miscarriage of justice and a complete embarrassment to the SA police and judicial system!

Gilly · 21 Feb 2013 at 12:50

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
Oscar is a cold blooded murderer, if he gets anything less than a murder conviction it'll be a horrendous miscarriage of justice and a complete embarrassment to the SA police and judicial system!

Yes, that's right. No jumping to conclusions or anything.

Jokester · 21 Feb 2013 at 12:52

Jono8 said:
Would you not check!!? It makes no sense!

Would you shoot into your closed toilet if you knew that at least one other person was living with you in your home and without making sure it is not them in that toilet. NO!

Who knows what was going through his head, he was seemingly borderline paranoid about his safety.

I'm not saying he should just be allowed to walk away scott free, at the very least he should be done for manslaughter if such a thing exists in SA law - but the issue is that the prosecution have been completely unable to provide any evidence that doesn't discount his version of events.

jsmoke · 21 Feb 2013 at 12:54

Good diagram here.

edscdk · 21 Feb 2013 at 12:54

Jokester said:
If it was dark, how could he see she wasn't there - he explicitly knew where his gun was.

you would shake your partner awake and say "shhh... someone is in the house... I'm gonna kill them..."

i assume turd burglery is common place is SA... or did he keep his valuables down the bog?...

if he never killed her on purpose he deserves to go down for the crime anyway for extreme stupidity..

Gilly · 21 Feb 2013 at 12:58

Jono8 said:
Would you not check!!? It makes no sense!

Would you shoot into your closed toilet if you knew that at least one other person was living with you in your home and without making sure it is not them in that toilet. NO!

Not if you're sure they're behind you in another area of the house, and not if you know that anyone intruding into your home is likely to be hell bent on harming/killing you with what are likely to be lethal weapons.

It's the black of night, he's been woken, he's acting in a way that he believes is protecting himself and his mrs.

Either way is possible.

mattyg · 21 Feb 2013 at 12:59

Jokester said:
He's on pubic record as saying he kept a handgun on his bedside table.

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
Oscar is a cold blooded murderer, if he gets anything less than a murder conviction it'll be a horrendous miscarriage of justice and a complete embarrassment to the SA police and judicial system!

jsmoke said:
Good diagram here.

Point number three.
He shouted to his girlfriend who then either didn't respond or did respond from the bathroom. If I shouted in the middle of the night my mrs would definetley come back with some sort of answer

Jokester · 21 Feb 2013 at 13:00

mattyg said:
Point number three.
He shouted to his girlfriend who then either didn't respond or did respond from the bathroom.

That's not what that says.

Gilly · 21 Feb 2013 at 13:01

Jokester said:
That's not what that says.

I assume he's saying that's what the prosecution say rather than the defence.

Not sure where it would come from, mind.

StooM · 21 Feb 2013 at 13:02

also that image is hilariously wrong re: the layout of his bedroom/bathroom.

mattyg · 21 Feb 2013 at 13:02

Gilly said:
I assume he's saying that's what the prosecution say rather than the defence.

Not sure where it would come from, mind.

Sorry yeah not quoting that pic as such But I'm sure I read (poss Dmail) that he also called out to his girlfriend.

Freakbro · 21 Feb 2013 at 13:03

Jokester said:
That's not what that says.

It does on the BBC site though http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21516664

Point no.2

Mr Pistorius said he heard a noise from the bathroom. He thought it was an intruder. Too scared to turn on the light, he pulled a 9mm pistol from under his bed and went to the bathroom, shouting to Ms Steenkamp to call the police.

Why wouldn't she say at that point, 'I'm in the Bathroom' ?

jsmoke · 21 Feb 2013 at 13:04

I reckon the CSI guys would solve this.

xyphic · 21 Feb 2013 at 13:07

Freakbro said:
Why wouldn't she say at that point, 'I'm in the Bathroom' ?

Probably because advertising your whereabouts to a burglar who had no qualms about killing you wouldn't be a particularly sensible thing to do.

Jokester · 21 Feb 2013 at 13:07

Freakbro said:
It does on the BBC site though http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21516664

Point no.2

Why wouldn't she say at that point, 'I'm in the Bathroom' ?

Maybe because she didn't realise that Pistorius thought it she was the intruder in the bathroom and was just going to finish having a **** before making the call? We've no idea what happened in there or what was going through either persons mind at the time.

Freakbro · 21 Feb 2013 at 13:12

Jokester said:
Maybe because she didn't realise that Pistorius thought it she was the intruder in the bathroom and was just going to finish having a **** before making the call? We've no idea what happened in there or what was going through either persons mind at the time.

There is always an answer and a million scenarios it could have been, like I keep saying, it has to be reasonable doubt, not just any doubt

And all this just for a bail hearing! The trial itself is going to be a circus.