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Caporegime
I would genuinely worry for the defendant if 90% of the posters in this thread were ever allowed on a jury. It's incredible how almost all of you know what happened.
Oscar Pistorius thread
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Associate
It's all up in the air. It's either a deliberate killing, or an accidental spur of the moment.
Associate
Personally I'd just go with the British idea of unreasonable force. Its not reasonable to shoot someone who's driving away from you as they are not a threat to you.
Some will argue you have a right to protect your property and to an extent I'd agree, but not so much towards the point of shooting into a street at someone stealing something insured anyway.
The fact it ended with him killing is own daughter is sad, but it was the result of reckless use of a firearm and unreasonable force if you ask me. I'd have punished the guy personally, assuming local laws supported it.
Soldato
I dont think we will ever know what really happened. He will probably get off for a technicality
Associate
the case is going Oscar's way, how the hell the defend team found out about the lead investigation own attempt murder case, that was dismissed 2 years ago, but re instated yesterday.
Agree and agree.
Unfortunately this is what happens in a country that is corrupt to the core.
Soldato
Can't imagine all this is doing anything for South African tourism 
Man of Honour
Maybe they just didn't look hard enough......
http://ewn.co.za/2013/02/21/EWN-Exclusive-Pistorius-case-investigator-faces-charges
It's interesting that these charges against Botha have suddenly been reinstated. For one the Prosecution and Police are likely not pleased with the worldwide reports that he cracked under cross-examination, didn't have proper information and even contaminated the crime scene. So they may have been keen to get him out the spotlight, though I believe somebody else already took over the handling of the investigation anyway.
I suppose the conspiracy theorist could also argue that possibly the defence and somebody well connected has done it to further embarrass them and discredit Botha.
Either way, its pretty extraordinary.
I suppose the conspiracy theorist could also argue that possibly the defence and somebody well connected has done it to further embarrass them and discredit Botha.
Either way, its pretty extraordinary.
Soldato
Whilst true, you wonder how much the precedent has already been set for this however.
Botha really is messing up this investigation :s
kd
Shiny grey shirt with shiny grey tie. Dear God, can the prosecution position get any worse!?!
Guilty of what exactly? Shooting her? sure, the whole world knows that.
Intending to shoot her specifically? Nope, not yet proven, so no one 'knows' that yet.
The whole thing is turning into a circus - I couldn't believe the stuff about Botha this morning. Told my wife (who used to live in JB for about 15 years) she just said its typical of the police - corrupt and incompetent to the core.. Hmm.
Caporegime
One person does.
The question I have is, looking at the layout of the house, why would a burglar walk past them sleeping, then lock themselves in the toilet? There's only one burglar I can think of that could be that, or more stupid, and that's the guy who tried to burgle Duncan Ferguson.
Guilty of murdering her as she begged for her life.
You'd have to be mad to believe he thought it was an intruder behind a locked toilet door, within a larger bathroom, off the main bedroom, behind a front door, behind 24/7 security, on valetines day. Why valentines day? she was out till 2am, they argued (probably a jealousy thing), he raged, he shot her, she ran and hid, he shot her again.
Maybe, he thought he was being attacked by ninjas. Not a normal ninja mind you, this one decided it was better to hide in the toilet than hold a sword at the guy sleeping in the bed and demand money.
I personally think you've got to be really, really gullible/sympathetic with the guy in order to believe his version of events. No matter how he spins it, it's just too ridiculous and unlikely.
Proving it is all that matters though, and I don't think the corrupt, idiotic and woeful South African justice system can do that against a good defence team.
Proving it is all that matters though, and I don't think the corrupt, idiotic and woeful South African justice system can do that against a good defence team.
There were ladders outside the bathroom window - presumably he believed they came in that way.
Do you work for the Sun? sounds like the kind of **** they'd write - although you forgot the obligatory 'allegedly' at the start.
The only one who knows what he believed at the time is OP, no one else - everything else we will find out will depend on the evidence found. Everything else is just speculation and opinion.
I agree, especially when the trial and all the forensics/evidence is yet to come. Personally I don't really care one way or the other, I'll wait to see what happens at the trial before I judge - I just generally believe Innocent until proven Guilty (not presumed Guilty).
It does make me chuckle how people turn into columbo, get so wound up they want him to die etc. Reminds me of the villagers drowning the witch/duck in Monty Python.
Now this I agree with - unless the police buck up their ideas and procedures they are going to get laid to waste in the full trial - yesterday was only a taster.
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Barry Bateman still has the best Twitter feed:
https://twitter.com/barrybateman
Latest is that court proceedings were held up while they had to get Botha back. He is now showing ineptitude again and being chastised by the Judge for having not chased up getting phone records made available to them.
https://twitter.com/barrybateman
Latest is that court proceedings were held up while they had to get Botha back. He is now showing ineptitude again and being chastised by the Judge for having not chased up getting phone records made available to them.