Oscar Pistorius thread
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Either that or he tops himself.
The fact that he's had his passport revoked and can't get a new one probably is. As is the fact that he is the most famous double amputee in the world.
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But you are basing your thoughts on how burglars act in Britain and not on the fear that nearly all white people in SA lived in or still live in.
I said earlier in this thread that a SA work colleague used the phrase 'Kill or be killed' because that was his life for 45 years.
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According to the statement given by him he shouted towards the "intruder" then towards his Girlfriend to ring the police, then towards the "intruder" again. Why did she not reply? He then fired off 4 shots shouted to his Girlfriend to contact the police again before realising she was not in the bedroom. There was no time scale given but surely she would have replied to him shouting from the other side of the door would she not?
EDIT: Just read Fox's post and he is right. Surely it would have been more likely that it was her in the bathroom. How did he not notice she was not in the bed? It would have thought that he would have checked if she was still in the bed first.
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Not having a passport means you can't get out of a corrupt/poorly run third world country? Plenty of easy coastline/airports to escape from. Silly.
Getting out would be easy. Staying out another matter. Very famous and any attempt to escape would just make him look worse.
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From what I've heard SA is nothing like here and a lot more violent so if i was to be woken in the night I'd be jumping straight up.
He will feel even more vulnerable since he has no legs so kill or be killed I'd choose to kill.
No doubt she was a typical female and he was outside the door bricking it asking her to call the police, she hasn't replied and then moved or just went to open the door and he's dumped the clip in her.
I just can't see how it was logical in his head to wipe her out in this way as he is well known.
Maybe he doesn't have a leg to stand on but we will see.
He will feel even more vulnerable since he has no legs so kill or be killed I'd choose to kill.
No doubt she was a typical female and he was outside the door bricking it asking her to call the police, she hasn't replied and then moved or just went to open the door and he's dumped the clip in her.
I just can't see how it was logical in his head to wipe her out in this way as he is well known.
Maybe he doesn't have a leg to stand on but we will see.
I think living in a country with such a high violent crime / murder rate and being paranoid is understandable.
I keep hearing the same argument, how violent the burglars are in SA and how paranoid OP is.
Why would they hide in a bathroom then? surely they would be shooting at him or waking him up with a gun/machete at his head? They must be the most non violent burglars in the world to hide in the toilet.
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If the assumption is that the reaction speed was such that he managed to get there just as they were breaking in then maybe he surprised them... However the whole line of thought relies on so many assumptions it becomes futile - you can spin the arguments either way as the evidence that has been unveiled so far seems to offer enough flexibility in the way you can interpret it to allow multiple scenarios. I don't know whether you credit the defence team with their work or castigate the prosecution for quite startling incompetence in this field though, ok so it's a bail hearing but they seem to have been remarkably cack-handed based on what has been revealed.
I'm slightly surprised that there doesn't appear to have been a consideration of Mr Pistorius' mental state in assessing whether he was suitable for bail - not that he was necessarily a danger to others but whether he would be a danger to himself. However I appreciate that it's not a part of the standard tests for whether someone can be bailed and the magistrate may not have wanted to set something that could be seen as a precedent.
Some of the bail conditions were daft though - not allowed to take prohibited drugs or alcohol. Ok, spelling out that he's not allowed to drink alcohol might need said but not being allowed to take prohibited drugs is the same as everyone else, especially when as an athlete the amount of drugs he can consider taking should be even more limited than for other people.
What has been shown thus far doesn't portray the South African judicial system in the greatest of lights. It will be interesting to see what happens at the trial though but I'd imagine finding jurors who aren't already aware of the case and prejudiced in some way will be a challenge.
Yes that is understandable. Unloading four shots through your toilet door when you haven't even checked beyond any doubt that it isn't your girlfriend in there is not understandable,justifiable and most importantly, in anyway believable.
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Well judging by the fact that police cars get hijacked and police stations employ private security firms to protect them, I'd say that's few fat, bored and probably asleep security guards don't hold much of a threat.
Add to that the fact he didn't stop shooting until shot No4 when he must surely have heard his GF's voice
This. However that wasn't his life for 45 years, maybe only the last 20. From what I've heard there was actual law and order under apartheid.
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There are no jurors in the South African system they were booted over 40 years ago, it is only the judge now and no one else that decides the outcome.
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Actually I missed a bit of his quote out, it was 'Kill or be killed, shoot first ask questions later'.
He said that many times he had been sitting on his tractor or out in his fields, heard a rustling in the bushes and shot first. He would then send a worker to investigate and quite a few times he had shot somebody. Although he was saddened by it he said that he had no option, that's how it worked, nobody should be sneaking around his property.
I asked him what if it was one of his workers who had 'strayed' for some reason and he said they knew the rules and they would shout me to tell me what they were up to etc.
We didn't have it that bad in Nigeria and I never heard of ex pats killing Nigerian trespassers but we knew it was still shaky ground if they had got into the house. These Teef Men are not interested in TVs or gizmo's but know that the owners know where the proper valuables and money is.
Probably none of you here have any experience of being flagged down every single night by the Police or Army and having a rifle shoved in your head just because they want 'dash' (a bribe). We never kept money on our persons but always made sure we had sandwiches, crisps and chocolate in the car every night.
I admit that I have no idea what it's like to live in such a dangerous place but honestly, while you were living there, if you heard a noise in the ensuite bathroom, would you fire 4 shots at the door without even checking it's not the person who you live with? I can't see that being a rational thing to do apart from in a paranoid, delusional and dangerous mind.