Oscar Pistorius thread

Jono8 said:
His brother is being charged with culpable homicide (looks like dangerous driving or something) dating back to 2010.

Being careless with life obviously runs in the family.
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Now while that obviously has nothing to do with the murder case of his brother. It does make you think why now?

Has the case been overlooked, delayed or ignored because of the Pistorious name? Is the the SA judicial system so corrupt that this thing sort of thing is common place? Simple coincidence that it's come to court now or a belated attempt to add some credibility to the proceedings?
 
DM (I know) are reporting that those who saw her body prior to cremating her were 'horrified' at her head injuries and that the police have told Reeva's family that they believe he initially attacked her with the cricket bat.

Why was none of this brought up in the bail hearing if so? were the prosecution wanting to keep their case against him a secret until the trial or something?
 
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Look this whole innocent until proven guilty thing is a load of old tosh, the guy done it, he ment to kill her, the whole intuder story is just a ruse, probably fabricated by his legal team.
 
mmj_uk said:
DM (I know) are reporting that those who saw her body prior to cremating her were 'horrified' at her head injuries and that the police have told Reeva's family that they believe he initially attacked her with it.

Why was none of this brought up in the bail hearing if so? were the prosecution wanting to keep their case against him a secret until the trial or something?
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I'm not sure how believable these claims that she looked beaten and the Police revealed she had been are true.

I can't see anything official to say so, plus there is no way they would withhold such information, it would make their case to deny bail incredibly strong.

But like the story of his brother, its amazing how this case just keeps getting stranger.
 
Most cases to be honest, with advances in dna, investigative techniques and the fact you cant go 3 feet without being caught on cctv or somebodies iphone id say by the time you get nicked, processed, given your chance to confess, bailed or put on remand the prosocution have already nailed you to the wall fair and square.
Lets not forget that just because a jury of 12 find somebody not guilty it doesnt mean they are innocent, it just means the defence lawyers done a better job of getting evidince quashed, discrediting witness and putting their case across.
I believe Oscar is using the fact you are allowed to shoot intruders and the fact there were no cameras to his advantage.
I also find it hard to believe a guy living in a country like south africa with his social status wouldnt have a bomb proof alarm system to protect his property.
 
nick.lidgett said:
Most cases to be honest, with advances in dna, investigative techniques and the fact you cant go 3 feet without being caught on cctv or somebodies iphone id say by the time you get nicked, processed, given your chance to confess, bailed or put on remand the prosocution have already nailed you to the wall fair and square.
Lets not forget that just because a jury of 12 find somebody not guilty it doesnt mean they are innocent, it just means the defence lawyers done a better job of getting evidince quashed, discrediting witness and putting their case across.
I believe Oscar is using the fact you are allowed to shoot intruders and the fact there were no cameras to his advantage.
I also find it hard to believe a guy living in a country like south africa with his social status wouldnt have a bomb proof alarm system to protect his property.
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Well it's a viewpoint to be sure but not one I'd be comfortable holding. With a casual sweep you've just tried to negate one of the fundamental principles of any justice system worthy of the name. We're dealing with patchy information at best here and you'd surely have to admit the prosecution hasn't exactly covered itself in glory here up to now - for that reason alone I'd want to be sure that the case is handled properly and that no shortcuts are taken such as declaring the accused guilty just because you think the evidence points that way...

I'm well aware that not guilty doesn't necessarily mean innocent of the crime but that would be part of the reason why I'd favour a not proven verdict as per Scotland - however that's a whole different debate and one that we've had here recently.
 
nick.lidgett said:
Look this whole innocent until proven guilty thing is a load of old tosh, the guy done it, he ment to kill her, the whole intuder story is just a ruse, probably fabricated by his legal team.
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  1. Right to privacy
  2. Right to live, exist
  3. Right to have a family
  4. To own property
  5. Free Speech
  6. Safety from violence
  7. Equality of both males and females; women's rights
  8. Fair trial
  9. To be considered innocent until proven guilty
  10. To be a citizen of a country
  11. To be recognized as a person
  12. The right to express his or her sexual orientation
  13. To vote
  14. To seek asylum if a country treats you badly
  15. To think freely
  16. To believe and practice the religion a person wants
  17. To peacefully protest (speak against) a government or group
  18. Health care (medical care)
  19. Education
  20. To communicate through a language
  21. Not be forced into marriage
  22. The right to love
  23. The right to work
  24. The right to express oneself

Guessing all of these are a load of tosh too?

As the bail judge made quite clear. There is only one persons account. That's all we can go off of for now, as the ballistics info that may clear up other factors haven't yet been processed...

He is therefore currently, innocent, but accused of premeditated murder.

kd
 
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DampDog said:
There were drugs next to the bed Testosterone? and cough herbal remedy. Could he have simply been off his head and acting irrationally? (this has yet to be confirmed I think)
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I have to use testosterone daily due to cancer last year leaving my natural level very low. If you take supplements long term then it stops your own body producing it. So it is likely that he is on medication rather than taking it for other reasons.

It also doesn't make you get high or aggresive and doesn't react with cough medicine. Testosterone simply gives you the drive to get on with things. I can't comment about the effects if taken in ridiculously high amounts but given that it can permanently shut down your own testosterone production I'm suspecting it could have been medical related.
 
Dimple said:
Ooh we have a badass.

Don't like women
Don't like queers
Don't like potential criminals even if they might not have done it
Don't like immigrants

I look forward to your thoughts in other threads.
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I think, well, hope, he meant that those were things that weren't respected in SA, not that he was against them :p
 
Hades said:
I have to use testosterone daily due to cancer last year leaving my natural level very low. If you take supplements long term then it stops your own body producing it. So it is likely that he is on medication rather than taking it for other reasons.

It also doesn't make you get high or aggressive and doesn't react with cough medicine. Testosterone simply gives you the drive to get on with things. I can't comment about the effects if taken in ridiculously high amounts but given that it can permanently shut down your own testosterone production I'm suspecting it could have been medical related.
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Yeah I'm sure you're right, I take a shed load of medication each day for my heart. It may well all turn out to be unrelated, but if I were Reeva Steenkamp's family, I would want all the available evidence examined down to the last breadcrumb. Unfortunately the focus is on Oscar Pistorius, and whether he murdered her or not. The fact of the matter is he did take her life and her family are dealing with that tragedy in the spotlght of the worlds press.
 
Dimple said:
Ooh we have a badass.

Don't like women
Don't like queers
Don't like potential criminals even if they might not have done it
Don't like immigrants

I look forward to your thoughts in other threads.
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Isn't that your average Daily Mail reader in a tea-cup?.
 
nick.lidgett said:
Not a badass dude just using number 5.
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You base your view that his story is "tosh" on what exactly? You know him personally? You've viewed the evidence in person? You've spoken to the people involved? Probably not.

You've just listened to what the media has told you and drawn a definitive view from that alone, which in my opinion makes you just another drone of the system
 
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