Except you don't have free speech in this country unless you are speaking at an academic institution or in parliament. Just thought I would point that out.
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Except you don't have free speech in this country unless you are speaking at an academic institution or in parliament. Just thought I would point that out.
It's "scared to death of everything" people like you that have made the word racism loose all meaning
Britain is a police state and has been for a while. You can't even make a tweet now without fear of having police knock at your door. Not to mention 24/7 survillance as soon as you step out of your house (probably in it too if you count all the monitoring the government now does online)
It's people that can't spell "lose" like you that make most posts on GD lose all meaning, loosely speaking.
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Somebody needs to read up on what a Police State actually is before spouting crap. It must be quite insulting for anyone who actually live in a country with a oppressive Police force.
When you have to compare yourself to the likes of North Korea you know it's bad.
There are many different forms of oppression.
Most people in the UK are indeed slaves to the system. Slaves to the banks. Are in debt, live most there lives on crappy wages just so they can make their mortgage payments. Whilst all along they are becoming more and more monitored and told what to do and say by the guys in charge.
I'd say that was definitely a form of oppression. Maybe not on the level of North Korea, but certainly nothing to be proud of either
Britain is not a police state. It does however have a great police force who whilst making mistakes and possessing a few bad apples (as any organisation will) do really good work and make this country a pretty safe place.
You can tweet all you want without the police knocking at your door - well that is unless you break a law in one of those tweets - in which case you won't have my sympathy if you get held accountable for offensive remarks or defamation.
+1.. This country has its faults, some are frustrating, some are annoying, and some are quite disturbing at the moment. But it's still the envy of huge swages of the world and a good place to live regardless of what some people would have you believe.
Yeah that's kinda missing the whole point. The government can in theory make any law they want. If you have an oppressive government making oppressive laws, you live in an oppressive country and what's right or wrong (legal or illegal) becomes an idea controlled by a very small group of people.
Anyway it's really pointless debating the topic since most people on here are just part of the controlled masses. Plus it's going offtopic from the original thread.
I'll just say as soon as you create a law that limits someone's viewpoint, or what they can write online, then you are entering very dangerous terrority.
I don't care what that person writes. I believe all men are created equal. Black, white, brown, yellow, whatever. I don't get offended like a little baby when someone types something "racist" and I certainly don't think that person should fear arrest (however wrong they may be). I just ignore them and consider them idiots who I want no association with
I admit using the word police state may have been out of context in certain respects.
As for being the envy of the World... It's only the envy of poor people who want to take something from the system... Whether that be government handouts or jobs to send money back to their home countries.
I really don't think there are too many people in Switzerland or Australia wishing they were living in Blackpool for example
To be honest I find your viewpoint a little odd. In one breath you have us living in a Police state, then go on about handouts to folk.
Generally speaking you can say what you want, when you want, about anyone or anything without fear of having a knock on the door from the Police or anyone else. That does have limits. If you threaten anyone or say things that simply are not true. Even if there is only a grain of truth in it, people will give you the benefit of the doubt.
That can't be said for some counties. It not unheard of to be threatened with death for calling a Teddy Bear, Mohammad. I think people around the world envy that more than handouts.
Plus all countries have deprived areas. Even now parts of the USA have people living in tents and cars, wile others live in mansions. The UK is no different, and better than most.
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I don't really see what's odd about it. Opression comes from a form of control. It may be the police sending you to a slave camp for insulting the dear leader, or it may be the guy who works every day 9 to 5, living paycheck to paycheck, being in fear that he may upset someone just by making a tweet online. To me this is oppression, all be in a lesser more hidden form.
This is getting into something completely different, but since handouts are being talked about, do you really think the UK has free health care? Hell, do you really think the government provides anything for free? The health care in the UK isn't free, nor is the income support. It is ALL paid for one way or another by the people. So in essense it is something paid for by the people (you) and provided by the government under the guise of being a free service that you should feel priviledged for. And if you don't agree with this (pay tax), just like if you don't pay your TV license, then you will eventually be arrested. How is that not a form of control?
Of course there are loads of worse places to live than the UK, with far worse governments... That's doesn't mean you need to feel grateful. Comparisons shouldn't always be made to the worst possible alternatives, otherwise you just become more and more like those places.
You mention the US... They have become a joke too, worse in many respects to the UK, we are just slower (as usual) than them at implementing things. What I can't stand about America (or their government rather), is how in 2013 they still think they have a right to police the World. They drop bombs by pressing a button on a control panel from 2,000 miles away, killing innocent people in the process and call themselves liberators. You see Obama on TV shedding tears for children who were killed in school shootings... How many tears did you see him shed for children killed from the attacks he himself ordered? The whole thing is a complete fraud.
But yeah the UK is great. Most people are in debt, hate their jobs, fear crime, are monitored non-stop by a controlling force of some form or another (or will be soon) and are eating themselves to death by the vast range of chemical garbage that has been pushed down their throats since childhood. God save the queen!
To be honest, if you hate it so much move somewhere else.
Plus I never said we get anything for free. We pay through the eyes and nose for everything. I pay tax and national insurance, Vat, tax on any savings I can manage. Tax on fuel, drink, fags (I don't smoke) council tax and probably a few I've forgotten. I woundnt be surprised if 55-60% of the money I earn is taken back.
But I get stuff in return ( probably not enough) I ring 999 and people come, be it fire and rescue, ambulance or police. I go out at night and there are lights, when it snows there are snow ploughs. Lots of things
Its a balance, I think the current government is getting things very wrong and hurting lots of people very badly. But I'm allowed to say they are crap to whom I like when I like.
There are many things that I think should be done differently or better. Doesn't mean I want to see the world burn because its not to my liking. I have problems that are far closer to home that I put my efforts into.
Plus I never said we get anything for free. We pay through the eyes and nose for everything. I pay tax and national insurance, Vat, tax on any savings I can manage. Tax on fuel, drink, fags (I don't smoke) council tax and probably a few I've forgotten. I woundnt be surprised if 55-60% of the money I earn is taken back.
But I get stuff in return ( probably not enough) I ring 999 and people come, be it fire and rescue, ambulance or police. I go out at night and there are lights, when it snows there are snow ploughs. Lots of things
Its a balance, I think the current government is getting things very wrong and hurting lots of people very badly. But I'm allowed to say they are crap to whom I like when I like.
There are many things that I think should be done differently or better. Doesn't mean I want to see the world burn because its not to my liking. I have problems that are far closer to home that I put my efforts into.
To be honest?
I moved from the UK 3 years ago. Very glad I did.
For most people 100% of what they earn goes back into the system one way or another. Most people have to go into debt just to survive.
Virtually every country in the World has a form of police, fire and ambulance protection. Are you saying that the UK has the best? I don't think that's true at all. And in most cases police get there after the event and it seems they are more and more less likely to get convinctions that fit the crime.
As for snow ploughs... Well yeah... Have you ever actually been in a UK city or town when it snows? I guess not because you wouldn't be using that as a positive thing about how tax money is spent if so.
The current government? Are you really that short sighted? As if the previous one or the one before that was any better? Get real dude. Next you'll be telling me there is actually a difference between a labor government and a conservative one! They're all the same.
Who said anything about the World burning? Quite the opposite. I want things to improve and get better and for people not to be so dependant on others and so afraid of saying things that may offend.
I feel sorry for you that everything you see is so oppressive and makes your life so miserable. It appears to be eating you up, which is a shame, life's to short.
Re the present government vs the rest. I'm pretty scathing of all MP,s, they are all scumbags to a man, I just don't let it eat me up. ( if I can help it)
I'm done now, enjoy what's left of the evening.
DD
Re the present government vs the rest. I'm pretty scathing of all MP,s, they are all scumbags to a man, I just don't let it eat me up. ( if I can help it)
I'm done now, enjoy what's left of the evening.
DD
haha what do you know about my life? I'm not miserable. Things are actually pretty great. I'm just ranting a bit on a forum I visit from time to time.
It would be eating me up if I was paying 60% of everything I earn to someone like you do though.
Have a good evening
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