Pascal Titan-X Launch

[nashathedog]

Already at 14 pages...

And this thread is absolutely packed with real information and intelligent discussion about the card in the thread title.

Not!

So no different to every other thread on the forum then.

 

[mahius]

inb4 everyone sells their 1080 for one of these

The funny thing is... that will happen. Heck, I bet some silly gaming Youtubers who currently have 1080s will upgrade to this because they can't wait to have the best hardware. And considering it launches so soon after the 1080... anyone who does is even more of a mug. Or they have truckloads of £££.

Just noticed something else from the specs, I don't think it is a full fat chip as that would have 3840 cores on it. This looks like it has 256 cores disabled.

Does that mean there will be a full fat chip waiting to be released later as yet another Titan variant ?

The price gouging goes on !!!

Why is it called X again?
Why isn't it using HBM2?
Why is it being unveiled with no hype at a low-rent event?

This already disappoints me. Double the price, but not even 30% more performance (as many have speculated)? I don't expect amazing things from this.

Forget about the Titan X, this quick Big Pascal release means the 1080Ti could be out before Xmas. Calling it, 1080Ti @ $799 and $899 for the throttling reference edition.

Possibly... but as much as I'd buy one, I'd still wait for Vega and if current gen prices annoy me too much, I might just not bother and wait till 1100 series to pick up a 1080ti on the cheap.

[SPOILERS]Ay, been waiting for this bad boy. But this is disappointing to me. Still GDDR5X and that massive price man.

Still I imagine although not that impressive on paper this still performs like a monster. Nvidia have simply priced this off the market for me. This whole gen has been priced jacked, where you have the 1060 coming in at old 970 price, 1070 at 980 price and 1080 at 980 ti price.

Shame because it means even if AMD counters with lower priced products later on they will still be jacked from previous price tier also as Nvidia have raised the milking bar so high.

Left a bit of a bitter taste for me, are Nvidia the new Apple, they certainly have the Nvidia cult following akin to Apple. And the pricing is getting extreme..[/SPOILERS]

All the more reason to buy this gen when next gen is out. Only then will they be at reasonable prices.

I know the pound has taken a hit but this is mostly because nvidia have hiked the price of their cards up a notch across the board.

I've been watching LinusTechTips WAN show earlier and Linus used his industry inside knowledge to explain that it's primarily Nvidia and AIB partners making high prices, with some opportunistic retailers adding a little extra on top to take advantage of the chaos.

So my 2 cents:
I don't know why people are complaining about the price. This price was kinda to be expected. Though I guessed £1.5k (whereas Foxeye guess that for the 1080ti), but I'm not too far off. In that regard, the 1.2k makes this card cheaper than we thought.

Of course, there are worries that it won't be significantly better than the 1080 to justify the price... we won't be able to tell till the week after next when NDAs lift.

My biggest issue with this card, honestly is the name. What the hell are Nvidia smoking? Now it makes sense why the current Titan X hasn't dropped in price. Fools will buy that one thinking it's the new one. As Linus mentioned, why not call it Titan XP or something? Just anything besides an existing name. The naming also makes me think the product doesn't have a lot of push or effort behind it. That it won't be significantly better than it's predecessor or the 1080. Change the name Nvidia! For the love of the fools who will buy it regardless (I remember last year some fool bought a 390 thinking it was the HBM card Fury, it was the earliest 300 series purchase).

But hey: let's look on the bright side, with this card we'll finally get that magic 4k60 from a single GPU. Even if it's just 20% better than a 1080, we've truly entered the realm of 4k gaming.

 

[Neutrino101]

I get the impression that the only reason this Titan card has been brought out this quickly is because they are running out of stock of the old Titan X and need a card to replace it. As I understand it the majority of Titan cards don't go anywhere near gamers but are bought for enterprise/commercial purpose. The fact that the old Titan X stock is still selling out fast even after the 1080 release and without any price drop is proof of this.

Increasingly I don't expect to see a TI card this generation. It's unlikely that AMD will mount a serious challenge before Volta arrives so releasing a "cheaper" TI does not make business sense this time. For all those who say what happens to the not so good GP102 chips, I get the impression that we are looking at them in this Titan X. If yields on GP102 are anywhere near as bad as the GP104 with massive shortage of 1080 2 months later then I expect the very good chips are few and far between and being saved for a possible future Pascal Titan with possible HBM2 or a TI just without the cheap price, why release a cheaper card when there is no competition? I wouldn't. As always this is just my own thoughts on the matter.

 

[nashathedog]

I have used that analogy, although to be fair, my story had Value beans vs Heinz beans ... you took it to a whole new level!

Tried it but value beans (and spaghetti) taste like crap.

Same for value cornflakes and rice krispies.

 

[nashathedog]

Surely I am not the only one who thinks of this when Vega is mentioned?

Spoiler

What, Wolverines Swedish cousin ?

 

[JediFragger]

What, Wolverines Swedish cousin ?

Spanish

FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[The-Hoff]

So these cards are only available from Nvidia and NOT Overclockers?

 

[N19h7m4r3]

So these cards are only available from Nvidia and NOT Overclockers?

They will most certainly be available here. NVIDIA don't sell direct in the EU like they do in North America.

 

[Rroff]

If yields on GP102 are anywhere near as bad as the GP104 with massive shortage of 1080 2 months later then I expect the very good chips are few and far between and being saved for a possible future Pascal Titan with possible HBM2 or a TI just without the cheap price, why release a cheaper card when there is no competition? I wouldn't. As always this is just my own thoughts on the matter.

Yields on GP104 are not bad - the perception of shortages is a bit skewed due to the number of models and how the allocation of stock is spread out - there is plenty of stock overall and 10+ models each of the G1 gaming, Gainward Phoenix, etc. alone at OcUK never mind elsewhere.

Supply might have been a bit down initially but that is due to nVidia having to share allocation on 16nm with other companies not yield issues.

 

[DarrenM343]

They will most certainly be available here. NVIDIA don't sell direct in the EU like they do in North America.

Yes they do now, since the 1080.
I still expect selected etailers to stock them though at least for system builds.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Yes they do now, since the 1080.
I still expect selected etailers to stock them though at least for system builds.

Oh thanks, just had a look. Prices are shocking, and now HB SLI bridges

 

[Neutrino101]

Yields on GP104 are not bad - the perception of shortages is a bit skewed due to the number of models and how the allocation of stock is spread out - there is plenty of stock overall and 10+ models each of the G1 gaming, Gainward Phoenix, etc. alone at OcUK never mind elsewhere.

Supply might have been a bit down initially but that is due to nVidia having to share allocation on 16nm with other companies not yield issues.

There are definitely yield issues with the GP104. I know there are a lot of models available however there are plenty of all the AIB 1070 cards available and yet not the 1080, despite launching a month earlier? Considering the 1070 sells more units than the 1080 this is suggesting that not enough of the GP104 chips are good enough for 1080 with most being 1070 quality, hence yield issues. As the GP102 is a bigger chip I would expect similar if not worse yields.

 

[Rroff]

There are definitely yield issues with the GP104. I know there are a lot of models available however there are plenty of all the AIB 1070 cards available and yet not the 1080, despite launching a month earlier? Considering the 1070 sells more units than the 1080 this is suggesting that not enough of the GP104 chips are good enough for 1080 with most being 1070 quality, hence yield issues. As the GP102 is a bigger chip I would expect similar if not worse yields.

We are slightly talking at cross purposes "bad" yields are frequently used when the production isn't producing a good ratio of upto spec (for the node) parts but TSMC 16nm FF+ is producing very good yields within the intended design spec (other partners like Xilinx are very happy with the yields) - the problem is the 1080 is pushing extremely high clock speeds and sure there is a shortage of parts that can perform at that level. (The ratio of non-functional or partially functional cores is very low - which is when people usually talk about "bad" yields).

The reduced clocks with GP102 are more within intended range keeping in mind the die size and hence I doubt any yield "issues" will necessarily follow from 1080 to Titan.

 

[Neutrino101]

I understood that the 1070 is the GP104 chip with 1 of the 4 graphics processing clusters disabled due to a fault in it where as the 1080 is a GP104 with all the clusters working. As there are obviously not enough GP104 that have all 4 GPC working and therefore there are a lot of partially functioning parts I had assumed this was down to poor yields. It would appear that my use of the term is incorrect in this case. I am happy to be corrected as I am not experienced in the industry so likely using the wrong terminology to describe the issue. It will be interesting to see if the GP102 we get in the new Titan X has all its graphics processing clusters enabled or not. This will be an indication as to if it is a salvage part or the best GP102 chips.

 

[The-Hoff]

I have had my GTX 1080 less than 3 weeks but will be buying a Titan immediately and selling my 1080.
I am lucky to have enough cash, so does that make me stupid because I am in a fortunate position to do so?

 

[FloppyPoppy]

I have had my GTX 1080 less than 3 weeks but will be buying a Titan immediately and selling my 1080.
I am lucky to have enough cash, so does that make me stupid because I am in a fortunate position to do so?

Only stupid if you aren't going to use it to it's full potential. If your playing at for instance 1080p... then yes your stupid. If not then no it's should be a smart buy in terms of performance if you don't have patience to wait a few months for the 1080ti that will inevitably side grade it for half the price.

Also if you are using any GPU workloads it would be nice but if that was exclusive use then a Tesla would be option right?

 

[Twirlywoos]

The dripping continues, great for the second hand market but I will wait for HB2 goodness which will be dripped several months later. 980ti plays games just fine and I was getting over 100FPS on the Battlederp 1 Alpha at 1440p all Ultra DX12. I have no interest in VR or 4K atm until tech matures and prices go down.

 

[The-Hoff]

Only stupid if you aren't going to use it to it's full potential. If your playing at for instance 1080p... then yes your stupid. If not then no it's should be a smart buy in terms of performance if you don't have patience to wait a few months for the 1080ti that will inevitably side grade it for half the price.

Also if you are using any GPU workloads it would be nice but if that was exclusive use then a Tesla would be option right?

I agree, 1080p would be crazy, I am jumping to 1440p straight away when I buy it (I still feel 4k would struggle with a few titles). First I need to see benchmarks in the latest games before totally committing.

 

[Rroff]

I understood that the 1070 is the GP104 chip with 1 of the 4 graphics processing clusters disabled due to a fault in it where as the 1080 is a GP104 with all the clusters working. As there are obviously not enough GP104 that have all 4 GPC working and therefore there are a lot of partially functioning parts I had assumed this was down to poor yields. It would appear that my use of the term is incorrect in this case. I am happy to be corrected as I am not experienced in the industry so likely using the wrong terminology to describe the issue. It will be interesting to see if the GP102 we get in the new Titan X has all its graphics processing clusters enabled or not. This will be an indication as to if it is a salvage part or the best GP102 chips.

This will also be the case. I dislike the connection with Pascal and poor yields as it isn't the same story as traditionally with poor yields where the process is largely broken.

The dripping continues, great for the second hand market but I will wait for HB2 goodness which will be dripped several months later. 980ti plays games just fine and I was getting over 100FPS on the Battlederp 1 Alpha at 1440p all Ultra DX12. I have no interest in VR or 4K atm until tech matures and prices go down.

While it doesn't surprise me in some ways - 16nm isn't cheap to produce stuff on at the best of times and they supposedly had to make a fair commitment to Micron in regard to GDDR5X so will want to make the most out of that it is quite frustrating this Titan in any other generation would have been an x70 (albeit more likely 8GB than 12) part and priced around half or even a little less than half what this is likely to cost.

 

[Orangey]

Why would you go with a strategy that hinges on clockspeeds: shrinking Maxwell, mooning clocks to provide the uplift in stead of designing? Yet they claimed this was the most expensive chip they ever made by far. I would love to see a cost breakdown.