Pascal Titan-X Launch

[Kaapstad]

it has way more cores? do you even logic?

Plenty of logic here thanks.

Difference in performance between a stock 1080 and the new Pascal Titan is 9 TF v 11 TF

Difference in TDP between the 1080 and Pascal Titan is 180 watts v 300 watts.

Now overclock both and see what happens.

That difference in TFs is going to narrow and the Pascal Titan is going to get very hot.

 

[Seanspeed]

It makes total sense. This isn't what the Titan was promised at, it has the same amount of VRAM as the last Titan. It also allows nvidia room to release a faster card if amd manage to compete down the line. Plus it's more profit for nvidia as they can sell a lesser card for more money. It's totally something nvidia will do.

I think this would have been the 1080ti but has been rebadged as a Titan due to the lack of competition.

Same quantity of vRAM as last Titan, but it's GDDR5X, along with highly optimized memory compression for Pascal. There is no way anything, even at 4k, is going to require more than 12GB of GDDR5X anytime in the next 2-3 years.

What are Nvidia going to release exactly later on that will be significantly faster? Neither the 780Ti/TitanBlack or 980Ti were meaningfully better than their respective Titan forefather. It would also push them into truly preposterous price territories. You can go on thinking that 'people will pay anything', but it's simply not true. There are absolutely limits for many in this market segment.

Difference in TDP between the 1080 and Pascal Titan is 180 watts v 300 watts.

Now overclock both and see what happens.

That difference in TFs is going to narrow and the Pascal Titan is going to get very hot.

250W for Titan.

Same as 980Ti.

 

[jommy999]

wow i just saw the news about the new Titan X . wonder how much it will be in UK

 

[Seanspeed]

Everybody knows the script:
1.)Release the Titan X - people get excited and pay mega-monies for it since it is the "fastest card in the world"
2.)A few months later the GTX1080TI is launched which is faster and much cheaper

Rinse and repeat.

980Ti was way better value than the Titan X, but it was slower.

 

[doodah]

nVidia tax + Brexit tax + Strix tax* + daylight savings tax + e-peen tax......think that covers everything

*do they do custom refs for the Titans?

 

[gt11]

Same quantity of vRAM as last Titan, but it's GDDR5X, along with highly optimized memory compression for Pascal. There is no way anything, even at 4k, is going to require more than 12GB of GDDR5X anytime in the next 2-3 years.

What are Nvidia going to release exactly later on that will be significantly faster? Neither the 780Ti/TitanBlack or 980Ti were meaningfully better than their respective Titan forefather. It would also push them into truly preposterous price territories. You can go on thinking that 'people will pay anything', but it's simply not true. There are absolutely limits for many in this market segment.


250W for Titan.

Same as 980Ti.

This is what they could release.Scroll down and check out GP100 specs and GP102 specs side by side on the table, there is a big enough difference to warrant a Titan Black or whatever there gonna call it later on.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/nv...-gtx-titan-x-based-on-gp102-has-gddr5x,3.html

 

[se_vietboi]

How much do you expect it go for? It will be around £800 minimum and people will buy.

£600 minimum for reference blowers and that's only because of Brexit.

 

[Razor Time]

Same quantity of vRAM as last Titan, but it's GDDR5X, along with highly optimized memory compression for Pascal. There is no way anything, even at 4k, is going to require more than 12GB of GDDR5X anytime in the next 2-3 years.

What are Nvidia going to release exactly later on that will be significantly faster? Neither the 780Ti/TitanBlack or 980Ti were meaningfully better than their respective Titan forefather. It would also push them into truly preposterous price territories. You can go on thinking that 'people will pay anything', but it's simply not true. There are absolutely limits for many in this market segment.

This card has the same amount of vram as the last titan the fact that it is GDDR5X is irrelevant. When has a new gen top end card been released with the same amount of vram as the last?

What is more believable? That the new 1080Ti would release with 12Gb of vram and the Titan 16Gb, or that we would see a new Titan with the same amount of Vram as the 18 month old Titan X?

I also think this is an indicator that this might of been the cut down chip ie the Ti.


As Kapp has pointed out

Just noticed something else from the specs, I don't think it is a full fat chip as that would have 3840 cores on it. This looks like it has 256 cores disabled.

Does that mean there will be a full fat chip waiting to be released later as yet another Titan variant ?

The price gouging goes on !!!

Some of the cores are disabled, hence Nvidia can go a bit further if AMD steal back the fastest gpu crown and they can release a faster variant down the line. It doesnt need to be for more money just like the Titan Black wasnt more than the original Titan.

 

[Kaapstad]

Same quantity of vRAM as last Titan, but it's GDDR5X, along with highly optimized memory compression for Pascal. There is no way anything, even at 4k, is going to require more than 12GB of GDDR5X anytime in the next 2-3 years.

What are Nvidia going to release exactly later on that will be significantly faster? Neither the 780Ti/TitanBlack or 980Ti were meaningfully better than their respective Titan forefather. It would also push them into truly preposterous price territories. You can go on thinking that 'people will pay anything', but it's simply not true. There are absolutely limits for many in this market segment.


250W for Titan.

Same as 980Ti.

You are right about the 250W but the point still stands.

1080s get hot enough and the new Titan is going to get even hotter.

How many stories have we heard about the FE 1080 throttling, the Titan is going to be even worse and they don't come with non reference coolers.

 

[Razor Time]

This is what they could release.Scroll down and check out GP100 specs and GP102 specs side by side on the table, there is a big enough difference to warrant a Titan Black or whatever there gonna call it later on.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/nv...-gtx-titan-x-based-on-gp102-has-gddr5x,3.html

Again I agree.

 

[Seanspeed]

This is what they could release.Scroll down and check out GP100 specs and GP102 specs side by side on the table, there is a big enough difference to warrant a Titan Black or whatever there gonna call it later on.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/nv...-gtx-titan-x-based-on-gp102-has-gddr5x,3.html

GP100 has same amount of cores, though.

GP102 is a reworked GP100 card dedicated for gaming. GP100 was not used because it is not suited for gaming.

Or are you saying that Nvidia have an entirely different GPU in development that we haven't heard about yet? Cuz I dont think that's the case. And it would totally water down the Titan name if they did.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

980Ti was way better value than the Titan X, but it was slower.

Reference to reference cards,but the GTX980TI came in cheaper non-reference versions which were faster out of the box.

 

[se_vietboi]

So we can assume this card was supposed to be the Ti? That's so so messed up.

 

[Seanspeed]

This card has the same amount of vram as the last titan the fact that it is GDDR5X is irrelevant. When has a new gen top end card been released with the same amount of vram as the last?

AMD's Fury cards had LESS vRAM in terms of quantity than their previous top end card. But it was HBM1 and used more effective bandwidth management which made it entirely fine, even if it doesn't sound like much.

Calling the swap to GDDR5X 'irrelevant' is asinine.

 

[Seanspeed]

Reference to reference cards,but the GTX980TI came in cheaper non-reference versions which were faster out of the box.

Stick a water block on the Titan X and it's again the faster card.

980Ti is literally a cut down Titan X, whereas the 780Ti was an unlocked Titan with less memory.

I get what you're saying, but the situations were different.

 

[MooMoo444]

"wait for Volta" isn't even an option as the price on those is likely to continue rising

 

[Seanspeed]

So we can assume this card was supposed to be the Ti?

No, we cannot. You can if you want, but it's conspiracy theory territory.

 

[Caracus2k]

Mid range cards which where the fastest on the planet................

Did you not get the memo? Apparently some people don't actually play 'computer' games with their shiny new gpu's no... Instead they spend the time comparing its die size and fretting about memory bus width in-between calling the current fastest available consumer single gpu 'mid range' because they struggle to understand why the current NVIDIA gpu strategy makes good commercial sense....


New process and or design with a smaller die -> bigger die on same process -> rinse and repeat

If anyone is interested in paying 'high end' prices for a gpu I still have that 'uber high end' 8800gtx ultra in the cupboard for a a suitably 'high end' price!' Good downgrade (gaming performance wise) for an'low band mid range' gtx 960!

I do love the argument that the 1080 is 'mid range' because a faster Titan and '1080ti' will follow it which of course seems to completely ignore the fact that they are likely to be superseded by a 'mid range' 1180 within a not to dissimilar time frame!

 

[Razor Time]

AMD's Fury cards had LESS vRAM in terms of quantity than their previous top end card. But it was HBM1 and used more effective bandwidth management which made it entirely fine, even if it doesn't sound like much.

Calling the swap to GDDR5X 'irrelevant' is asinine.

AMD is not nvidia and look how that 4Gb move worked out for them, plus it was a limitation of HBM1.

So your saying that 18 months on every one expected the next titan to have the same amount of VRAM as the Titan X?

280 - 1gb
480 - 1.5gb
580 - 1.5gb (5 series was a refresh of the 480 series released 6 months later)
680 - 2gb

780 - 3gb
Titan - 6gb

980ti - 6gb
Titan - 12gb

As for GDDR5X being so special, the 1080 got double vram over the 980 as did the 1070 over the 970. So why is the this round of titan not got the jump?

This is why I am agreeing g11 that this along with the cut down core count makes it look more like the specs of the intended 1080Ti rather than a Titan.

 

[Ash0787]

why do people emphasize Volta so much ? Pascal was always slated to be the next big one, is volta a new architecture or something ? can it take better advantage of the new process ?

Could they be holding back on HBM2 so that for Volta they can just add HBM2
and suddenly get 25% more performance with no effort ?

Wouldn't it be interesting if Vega has HBM2 but 1080ti doesn't ?