PATIENCE - IF PLANNING TO BUY A 50 SERIES..........

harmattan · 2025-01-25T07:47:42+0000

Personality+ said:
Wonder if there are others who have such data, I was already wanting the Suprim, maybe I should consider the liquid as well.

Surprising the MSI Suprime is showing better temps than the Astral considering a) it weighs less, b) is a bit smaller, c) fan profile seems less agressive.

I still can't believe we're looking at near-used car prices for these cards. Astounding and sad.

Joxeon · 2025-01-25T09:41:01+0000

harmattan said:
Surprising the MSI Suprime is showing better temps than the Astral considering a) it weighs less, b) is a bit smaller, c) fan profile seems less agressive.

I still can't believe we're looking at near-used car prices for these cards. Astounding and sad.

Paying $1000 for a cooler is bonkers

harmattan · 2025-01-25T10:00:42+0000

Joxeon said:
Paying $1000 for a cooler is bonkers

That's precisely what I was just thinking. The Astral, for example, doesn't have some sort of special engineering that requires R&D or rare-earlth elements. I haven't seen a tear down, but certain it's simply a bigger aluminum rad with slightly larger copper pipes in the same tried-and-true configuration for the past 35 years, and maybe some binning. Is the extra £800 for fan profile tuning?

Mike25 · 2025-01-25T10:25:03+0000

harmattan said:
Surprising the MSI Suprime is showing better temps than the Astral considering a) it weighs less, b) is a bit smaller, c) fan profile seems less agressive.

I still can't believe we're looking at near-used car prices for these cards. Astounding and sad.

I'm sure the MSI card has more heat pipes, 8 Vs 10 or so

Sedgey123 · 2025-01-25T11:21:46+0000

You are paying for the name mainly - as soon as they go Asus Rog-Strix or some othername like Astral you are just paying for that privilege :cry:

Diagro · 2025-01-25T11:58:26+0000

Pathetic.

wookiee87 · 2025-01-25T12:01:02+0000

Diagro said:
Pathetic.

thats asus for you, but most aibs have lost there minds this time around

Diagro · 2025-01-25T12:01:37+0000

wookiee87 said:
thats asus for you, but most aibs have lost there minds this time around

I was refering to the low stock volume.

chaparral · 2025-01-25T12:05:00+0000

wookiee87 said:
thats asus for you, but most aibs have lost there minds this time around

I think it the buyers that have lost there minds this time around

GoRedwings19 · 2025-01-25T12:16:38+0000

Sedgey123 said:
You are paying for the name mainly - as soon as they go Asus Rog-Strix or some othername like Astral you are just paying for that privilege

And even then it a stupid name. Astral is the name woke hippy crystal loving parent who calls their child that.

chaparral said:
I think it the buyers that have lost there minds this time around

"This time around"? the nerds lose their minds every generation release.

Personality+ · 2025-01-25T12:23:00+0000

Mike25 said:
I'm sure the MSI card has more heat pipes, 8 Vs 10 or so

Suprim has 11
Next MSI down has 10
Not sure about the rest of the stack.

At least that's what hardware unboxed said during their roundup at CES

MissChief · 2025-01-25T12:54:12+0000

Although I'll admit this place is rather biased compared to the general public, the sheer number of prospective buyers of the 5090 despite the £500 increase (25%) over the 4090 for what appears to be a direct 20% 'improvement' rather strange, and also directly feeds into extortionate pricing. Why do nvidia have any incentive at all to produce a seismic jump in performance when they can drip out a 20% improvement every 3 years and people lap it up like an oasis in the desert.

Diagro · 2025-01-25T12:59:23+0000

MissChief said:
Although I'll admit this place is rather biased compared to the general public, the sheer number of prospective buyers of the 5090 despite the £500 increase (25%) over the 4090 for what appears to be a direct 20% 'improvement' rather strange, and also directly feeds into extortionate pricing. Why do nvidia have any incentive at all to produce a seismic jump in performance when they can drip out a 20% improvement every 3 years and people lap it up like an oasis in the desert.

A fool and their money, are easily separated.

mikeym · 2025-01-25T13:03:28+0000

Need a new GPU for a new build (old build going to the kids).

Will be trying my best on Thurs to get a 5080 FE model - booked the day off work but luck will need to be on my side by the looks of things!

chaparral · 2025-01-25T13:43:11+0000

Diagro said:
A fool and their money, are easily separated.

I could understand more if there was some great new AAA games that needed the power of a 5090
But i see no games available at all that would make me want to spend 2k to 2.8k on a new GPU :confused:

It a long way from being like the days when crysis came out and you had to buy new highend GPU's just to be able to run it

mikeym · 2025-01-25T13:56:11+0000

chaparral said:
I could understand more if there was some great new AAA games that needed the power of a 5090
But i see no games available at all that would make me want to spend 2k to 2.8k on a new GPU

It a long way from being like the days when crysis came out and you had to buy new highend GPU's just to be able to run it

It's quite a niche but for VR, I could do with all the GPU power I could get! However, even with my use case, I don't think I would ever justify to myself the expense of something like a 5090.

Baldbloke · 2025-01-25T14:07:33+0000

mikeym said:
It's quite a niche but for VR, I could do with all the GPU power I could get! However, even with my use case, I don't think I would ever justify to myself the expense of something like a 5090.

I'm Iracing in VR almost exclusively. I'm guessing this mfg/dlss4 thing will have no benefit in Iracing VR whatsoever? Just the actual true raster increase will make a difference. Is that correct?

mikeym · 2025-01-25T14:29:16+0000

Baldbloke said:
I'm Iracing in VR almost exclusively. I'm guessing this mfg/dlss4 thing will have no benefit in Iracing VR whatsoever? Just the actual true raster increase will make a difference. Is that correct?

I'm no expert but don't believe DLSS4 / MFG would be good for simracing, due to latency - probably would help you to feel sick more than anything! Rendering two separate images for VR and differences in frame generation between the two wouldn't be ideal either.

I've always avoided motion reprojection / ASW in VR in the past too due to artefacts, etc.

Edit: There's some discussion on it here that I just found - https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamVR/comments/1i8v1rw/would_dlss_4_multi_frame_generation_benefits_to/

Edit2: Another point of view for flight sim'ing (though to use this method, the game needs to support DLSS in the first place I believe - don't think iRacing does?) - https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/new-dlss-4-v310-1-is-amazing-in-vr/700364/11

subroutine · 2025-01-25T14:36:46+0000

In my experience with VR and it's all I play, fast paced sims need the fps to be at least the headset refresh rate. ASW etc is fine on slower paced games.

chaparral · 2025-01-25T15:33:54+0000

If i was OCUK or Gibbo i would set up bidding for that hand full of 5090's :eek: