Pentagon releases UFO footage

[enkoda]

It wasn't just something on radar though, was it?

Watch the video mrk posted on how the infra red video footage can be explained without having to resort to the unknown.

So that leaves us with Fravor's personal testimony on what he saw with his eyes - do you believe he clearly saw a 40 ft long object from an altitude 20,000 ft above it?

 

[FoxEye]

What kind of alien logic do people use to explain the alien behaviour, btw?

1. Super advanced tech, inc ships that defy physics
2. Fly around the Earth a lot, but try to avoid detection
3. Fail to completely avoid detection, but keep flying around for the lulz.
4. Never make contact.
4a. Alternatively, only make contact with weirdos and the CIA.
5. Abduct loads of cows. Why? Surely they can clone them.
5a. On Wednesdays, mutilate instead of abduct
6. Crush a load of corn in geometric patters. This pleases Gozygan'Tok.
7. Build pyramids.

So yeah... are the aliens trolling us? Or is their logic and crop circle art beyond the comprehension of Earthlings?

 

[SexyGreyFox]

What kind of alien logic do people use to explain the alien behaviour, btw?

1. Super advanced tech, inc ships that defy physics
2. Fly around the Earth a lot, but try to avoid detection
3. Fail to completely avoid detection, but keep flying around for the lulz.
4. Never make contact.
4a. Alternatively, only make contact with weirdos and the CIA.
5. Abduct loads of cows. Why? Surely they can clone them.
5a. On Wednesdays, mutilate instead of abduct
6. Crush a load of corn in geometric patters. This pleases Gozygan'Tok.
7. Build pyramids.

So yeah... are the aliens trolling us? Or is their logic and crop circle art beyond the comprehension of Earthlings?

Somebody earlier asked about what I meant by 'messing about' when they get here, you have just wrote it out for me

 

[NVP]

if you examine what he says in the Joe Rogan interview.

He says, it flies away so fast in less than a second, (those were his words, less than a second) it disappears. 'poof, it's gone'

Explain to me, how anything known to avionics, science, or physics can operate with those characteristics.

Because remember; This guy is a US Navy commander, it's assumed he knows what he's looking at - if he lets something get away from him in 'less than a second' and he's in a fighter jet, that implies that it's beyond anything we understand.

If you take his word for it.

Oh I get it now, you have no idea what "defies the laws of physics" actually means. Coolio.

He's not using metaphors, being vague or nondescript, quite the contrary - he's very descriptive and direct, in his account of what happened.

 

[ianh]

I think the conflation of UFO = Aliens doesn't help the topic very much. UFO means exactly that, it's a flying object and we don't know what it is, thats all. If we're saying it's an Alien then, by definition, we're saying we know what it is, so it can't be an "Unidentified" Flying Object.

do you believe he clearly saw a 40 ft long object from an altitude 20,000 ft above it?

Two points here -

1. 20,000ft sounds a lot but it's only 3.7 miles - You can tell what a articulated truck and trailer looks like at that distance no problem as you can distinguish a 6ft Human at 2 miles (link).

2. Miltary pilots have virtually perfect vision (to become a Pilot initially) and more importantly they're trained to ID objects from the air. Most recently in Iraq/Afghanistan/Syria they use their eye unaided by optics to identify objects like enemy trucks, pick-ups, huts etc visually first so they know where to aim their targetting pods towards allowing them to use the pods more accurate "zoomed in" image for accuracy.

 

[enkoda]

I think the conflation of UFO = Aliens doesn't help the topic very much. UFO means exactly that, it's a flying object and we don't know what it is, thats all. If we're saying it's an Alien then, by definition, we're saying we know what it is, so it can't be an "Unidentified" Flying Object.



Two points here -

1. 20,000ft sounds a lot but it's only 3.7 miles - You can tell what a articulated truck and trailer looks like at that distance no problem as you can distinguish a 6ft Human at 2 miles (link).

2. Miltary pilots have virtually perfect vision (to become a Pilot initially) and more importantly they're trained to ID objects from the air. Most recently in Iraq/Afghanistan/Syria they use their eye unaided by optics to identify objects like enemy trucks, pick-ups, huts etc visually first so they know where to aim their targetting pods towards allowing them to use the pods more accurate "zoomed in" image for accuracy.

We also have confirmed reports of US pilots firing on friendlies in virtually all combat scenarios throughout history, so they are not infallible.

Edit: it's worth noting that the first plane to check out the tic-tac UFO and both planes in the subsequent engagement were specifically asked by the USS Princeton if they were carrying live ordnance. Once both parties had confirmed they were loaded with dummy missiles they were then given the go-ahead to investigate.

 

[ethan]

Watch the video mrk posted on how the infra red video footage can be explained without having to resort to the unknown.

So that leaves us with Fravor's personal testimony on what he saw with his eyes - do you believe he clearly saw a 40 ft long object from an altitude 20,000 ft above it?

Why do I need to watch the video about infra red footage when it was also visibly confirmed? Furthermore there were various other confirmed radar traces from different systems. Tbh I don't want to waste my time. I can recall one of the pots confirming the best quality recordings were kept from the public despite the recent release.

 

[Felon]

Oh I get it now, you have no idea what "defies the laws of physics" actually means. Coolio.

So basically, you have nothing constructive left to say because you've totally lost the argument, rather than actually admit it and bow out in an adult fashion, just post a Gif as the final say. It accurately sums up your ability to hold an argument, which is cretinous, at best.

 

[NVP]

Really? It's there right in the quote: "you have no idea what "defies the laws of physics" actually means".

There's a lot you can take from that constructively.

 

[Felon]

Really? It's there right in the quote: "you have no idea what "defies the laws of physics" actually means".

There's a lot you can take from that constructively.

Ok lets discuss the laws of physics then,

First lets listen to what David Fravor himself actually says; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eco2s3-0zsQ&t=12m30s

Once you've watched that, explain to me exactly - how something with the performance characteristics he himself explains in a detailed account, how it can do those things, whilst conforming to the the known laws of physics and technology that the human race knows about.

Because I'd love to know.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Two points here -

1. 20,000ft sounds a lot but it's only 3.7 miles - You can tell what a articulated truck and trailer looks like at that distance no problem as you can distinguish a 6ft Human at 2 miles (link).

2. Miltary pilots have virtually perfect vision (to become a Pilot initially) and more importantly they're trained to ID objects from the air. Most recently in Iraq/Afghanistan/Syria they use their eye unaided by optics to identify objects like enemy trucks, pick-ups, huts etc visually first so they know where to aim their targetting pods towards allowing them to use the pods more accurate "zoomed in" image for accuracy.

This is looking at the M6 from 20,000 feet, I can just about see the motorway

https://earth.google.com/web/@53.11...605171a,5866.92570049d,35y,47.76217185h,0t,0r

 

[NVP]

Ok lets discuss the laws of physics then,

First lets listen to what David Fravor himself actually says; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eco2s3-0zsQ&t=12m30s

Once you've watched that, explain to me exactly - how something with the performance characteristics he himself explains in a detailed account, how it can do those things, whilst conforming to the the known laws of physics and technology that the human race knows about.

Because I'd love to know.

Still this poof/disappeared/vanished thing you clinging to? If I remember he mentions it multiple times throughout that same interview that it accelerates and iirc a nondescript guess of speed it may have needed to travel.

If you really want to discuss the account then don't cherry pick, admit you didn't mean or fully understand "defied the laws of physics" and quit defending a pointless, syntactical perspective on an extremely significant part of this recounted event.

 

[enkoda]

This is looking at the M6 from 20,000 feet, I can just about see the motorway

https://earth.google.com/web/@53.11...605171a,5866.92570049d,35y,47.76217185h,0t,0r

Ah, but you aren't a US pilot with superior levels of visual acuity and the training to pick out trucks that us mere mortals cannot see.

 

[Felon]

Still this poof/disappeared/vanished thing you clinging to? If I remember he mentions it multiple times throughout that same interview that it accelerates and iirc a nondescript guess of speed it may have needed to travel.

Don't dodge the question.

From his statement, from the video I linked, specifically from his detailed, unambiguous account explaining it's incredible performance, explain to the me the sort of technology which would be required to do the things he clearly says he saw when he encountered the object.

If you can't answer the question then fine, but don't go on about what I do or don't know, as a way of avoiding it

 

[NVP]

Don't dodge the question.

From his statement, from the video I linked, specifically from his detailed, unambiguous account explaining it's incredible performance, explain to the me the sort of technology which would be required to do the things he clearly says he saw when he encountered the object.

If you can't answer the question then fine, but don't go on about what I do or don't know, as a way of avoiding it

Well from the fact you're asking me about technological capabilities when questioning the defiance of physics I think I pretty much know how this is going to continue in circles.


Also, if you see one of my earlier posts in the thread, I actually state my theory on its movement system, it's the only one hypothesized in this thread so I'm sure you'll find it.

 

[edscdk]

Creating strawman arguments isn't really going to help you out much, but I guess it's all you have.

To clarify; when making statements about something - the moment you start diluting them down, 'oh he actually meant x instead of y' 'ohhh it didn't actually disappear, it just might have disappeared' and so on, you simply end up with something so vague and poorly defined that it's meaningless anyway.



So there were a number of reports of different things, seen over a number of days, along with a video of 'something' and David Fravor's eyewitness account.

The only evidence which ever came out was the video, there were reports of radar contacts and visual reports, but no actual evidence.

If the evidence was there - it would be easy right?

But precisely because there is no evidence, it's all vague and mysterious, nothing can be correctly defined - people just end up making their own assumptions, in the absence of any evidence.

OK I watched the video again, no longer convinced there are only 2 options... Initially i though he lied or ET real, now I'll add he genuinely thinks he is right but things possibly did not pan out how it sounds when you first watch the video..

 

[ianh]

This is looking at the M6 from 20,000 feet, I can just about see the motorway

https://earth.google.com/web/@53.11...605171a,5866.92570049d,35y,47.76217185h,0t,0r

Thats low resolution picture, it's not IRL and IRL your eyes can definitely see something "articulated lorry & trailer" sized moving around well enough to see what it is. Again, it's a scientific fact that you can see a 6ft human from 2 miles away well enough to know its a human so seeing a 40ft object at 4 miles is plausible for "Mr Average".

Ah, but you aren't a US pilot with superior levels of visual acuity and the training to pick out trucks that us mere mortals cannot see.

And yet when that US pilot, who does have all those, tells you that he can pick out that object at 20,000ft and other people provide scientific proof of it's plausibility in links, rather than thinking "hmmmm, these people who've done this might know what they're talking about" you decide that you, with zero experience, know far better - OK.

This is why I hate internet experts over IRL "done it and got the badge" experts.

 

[Felon]

Also, if you see one of my earlier posts in the thread, I actually state my theory on its movement system, it's the only one hypothesized in this thread so I'm sure you'll find it.

Let me guess; the wormholes you were talking about?

And anyway - why are you blaming me for taking what he said literally, (about how it accelerated away and disappeared in under a second) then propose wormholes as the actual theory for it's movement system, you can't have it both ways at once!

 

[NVP]

Ok now I understand your inability to follow context really explains a lot of how disjointed your responses have become from any original point.

Perhaps keep looking, I'll give you a hint: gyroscopic momentum.

And anyway - why are you blaming me for taking what he said literally, (about how it accelerated away and disappeared in under a second) then propose wormholes as the actual theory for it's movement system, you can't have it both ways at once!

You sir, need to think before you post.

 

[Felon]

Ok now I understand your inability to follow context really explains a lot of how disjointed your responses have become from any original point.

Perhaps keep looking, I'll give you a hint: gyroscopic momentum.

You sir, need to think before you post.

Gyroscopes of course!

I did wonder whether we might get magnets, crystals or something, but Gyroscopes will do for me.

I mean, I did think you were trolling me a while back, but didn't care - but now it's confirmed!