I though the main story the pilot witnessed was one account maybe I should watch it again (two aircraft asked to go look at odd contact that's been going on for days.. I'd love to see the account independenty verified and analysed... Though if its verified I'd always wonder if the person confirming it was just paid to say that..
Pentagon releases UFO footage
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I though the main story the pilot witnessed was one account maybe I should watch it again (two aircraft asked to go look at odd contact that's been going on for days.. I'd love to see the account independenty verified and analysed... Though if its verified I'd always wonder if the person confirming it was just paid to say that..
Creating strawman arguments isn't really going to help you out much, but I guess it's all you have.
To clarify; when making statements about something - the moment you start diluting them down, 'oh he actually meant x instead of y' 'ohhh it didn't actually disappear, it just might have disappeared' and so on, you simply end up with something so vague and poorly defined that it's meaningless anyway.
So there were a number of reports of different things, seen over a number of days, along with a video of 'something' and David Fravor's eyewitness account.
The only evidence which ever came out was the video, there were reports of radar contacts and visual reports, but no actual evidence.
If the evidence was there - it would be easy right?
But precisely because there is no evidence, it's all vague and mysterious, nothing can be correctly defined - people just end up making their own assumptions, in the absence of any evidence.
Man of Honour
100% this
Haha interesting irony there. You take single commentary and twist it for your story, I'll take it the rest of the statements and context and enjoy understanding life.
I haven't twisted anything, I've been very clear from the beginning about sticking exactly what was said in the statements, and I think you know that - you just want to have the final say, because you have nothing else, or useful you can say.
What proof would you accept though? For someone like you, there is no proof that you're willing to accept. That's fine. For me, I'll dismiss most CT, but when an educated experienced US Navy pilot is giving testimony, willing to travel to Washington to speak to Congress about it, there is video footage of the same craft available and officially released by the Pentagon, then I'll accept what I'm being told is likely to be the truth. What we saw in that video seems to be a craft that has technology that is far ahead of what the most advanced military has.
Time travel is possible depending on your theory. E.g. The Block Theory of the universe, mentioned in the 2018 source below:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/science...eory-time-past-present-future-travel/10178386
https://www.abc.net.au/news/science...eory-time-past-present-future-travel/10178386
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
It doesn’t matter who you are - make claims like that without any evidence, you’re going to have a hard time convincing people, and so you should.
There’s nothing in the videos at any point that shows anything special at all, certainly nothing like the sorts of things the pilot says he saw.
Soldato
I just watched the video again. It's an object flying around that they lock on to. I'm not a professional, so when multiple pilots, who fly around probably most days of the year for many years can't identify it then something seems amiss in why the video as been authenticated by the US government confirming the video is genuine. If it was a flying rock or a piece of debris flying around, why go out of their way to release the video officially?
So if you are the leader of Britain and there were pilots reporting an unidentified flying object zooming around our airspace you wouldn't react?
I was searching around the net as I was replying and noticed this interesting object from China;
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/16/asia/china-new-helicopter-ufo-intl-scli-hnk/index.html
I'd say anyone saw that flying around would think its a UFO.
Man of Honour
There might have been but as usual in these cases it was very grainy and blurred so you couldn't make him out but if you believe in this stuff you can fill in the blanks.
After all these decades of top notch cameras they still take a blurry UFO picture.
I'm waiting for Ancient Aliens to do an episode on blurry camera images and why it happens:
"So is it possible that Alien technology renders cameras next to useless? Well Ancient Alien believers say Yes".
Man of Honour
I've just searched but couldn't find it but this is a story about the SR-71 Blackbird that I saw on one of the many UFO documentaries I watch .
There had been many UFO sightings in Russia so the Russian Government told every serviceman over a period of time to look up into the sky and it was then they got proper data on the Blackbird.
Hopefully somebody else knows the story or I could have dreamt it.
No, not at all. What you're doing is what is generally accused of conspiracy theorists. What I'm doing is going by what he stated multiple times, not in a transcript but in a video recorded interview where he is questioned on specifics of the subject.
You want to disregard all that because it says "disappeared" in a text file.
Actually no, I forgot what this was about. This was about your claim that what he described defied physics, when pushed you said "because he said it dissappeared" which is a weak point to pick from everything he stated firstly, and secondly has been clarified multiple times with different descriptive words and additional technical information during a videotaped interview...but "no, no, the paper has this word on it and that's what I'm clinging too".
Dear, oh dear.
I'm done with your nonsense now, carry on screeetching.
Can I respond to that?
Yes, he's an experienced pilot, but he doesn't work for organisations developing propulsion systems or aviation designs, therefore his knowledge of such things is limited to what he's told.
Is Lewis Hamilton the leading expert on racing car technologies?
He knows a lot for sure, but his field of experience is in driving the machines that those with vastly greater knowledge in the fields of aerodynamics, fuel delivery, braking, engine management systems, etc, etc, etc work on - and they do so without any obligation to notify Lewis of cutting edge, top secret designs.
So why oh why is it when Fravor says "I know of no current aviation technology that could do what I saw" that statement is taken as though he knows everything about aviation technology being developed?
And just to recap:
There's enough info in the video below to adequately explain what he saw on his infra red systems:
And enough doubt cast over Fravor's claim of what he saw with his eyes rather than off a screen:
Do you believe he saw this with the naked eye?
He is either lying, or mistaken - the most likely explanation is that his brain is trying to make sense of what he is watching on the monitor screen and is constructing a visual memory, because he absolutely did not see what he claims to have seen.
Nobody is denying that Fravor saw something he can't explain, what the bone of contention centres around is his claim that it was technology far beyond what we currently have (which has already been explained away multiple times) and the implication that it cannot be of this planet, i.e. alien, for which there is no compelling evidence.
However:
Nobody has conclusively ruled out multiple, independent system glitches/malfunctions.
Nobody has conclusively ruled out testing of new aviation technologies that only the top level brass were allowed prior knowledge of.
Nobody has conclusively ruled out collusion between the pilots to fake a story around the radar & infra red video.
Yet somehow alien tech is ruled in and that aliens travelling way beyond lightspeed velocities in order to spend a few seconds flying up and down above the sea is worthy of consideration?
I don't have a quarrel with the video, the video merely shows an object they locked onto, doing nothing special at all.
They didn't identify whatever it was, but that's a million miles away from the claims other people are making about it, such as 'alien tech, anti-gravity, etc'
if you examine what he says in the Joe Rogan interview.
He says, it flies away so fast in less than a second, (those were his words, less than a second) it disappears. 'poof, it's gone'
Explain to me, how anything known to avionics, science, or physics can operate with those characteristics.
Because remember; This guy is a US Navy commander, it's assumed he knows what he's looking at - if he lets something get away from him in 'less than a second' and he's in a fighter jet, that implies that it's beyond anything we understand.
If you take his word for it.
He's not using metaphors, being vague or nondescript, quite the contrary - he's very descriptive and direct, in his account of what happened.
Man of Honour
Yup this is exactly why I mentioned psychology and how the brain works. Surrounding factors of course help this be possible and many of them are described in this video: The sub 20Hz frequency vibrations being the most likely for the vast majority of cases since this can be created by so many things from fans to electrical equipment.
Soldato
Erm. Because if the object behaved in the ways David Fravor says it behaved, to use his own words; 'disappeared' it wouldn't be conforming to the known laws.
Thing is though, the people who run governments are notoriously incompetent, stupid, easily fooled and just generally of very poor quality. There's literally zero chance, that they could ever keep something like a UFO or alien technology secret, if they had it.
Imagine if the UK government captured a flying saucer and tried to cover it up;
The list goes on, but you can imagine the problems involved - when you start to apply the reality of government competence, into the realms of containing alien tech
- Group-4 would be in charge of security, and the government would mess up their pay, and nobody would turn up - little green men running wild.
- The media would find something almost immediately, government officials can't even conceal an affair, or basic tax fraud - let alone a flying saucer.
- Money - if anyone had for example - an anti-gravity machine, it would be worth more money than we could ever print, it would be leaked sooner or later.
It wasn't just something on radar though, was it?