Pentagon releases UFO footage

=XDC=FluphyBunny said:
You can’t be serious
He doesn’t present evidence (there isn’t any) therefore hearsay.
He is working the same lines as something like Fox News. Oddly he also has a very similar following.
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What was he doing for the 12 hours with the Intelligence committees?

If he had no evidence (he claims to have extremely detailed evidence) why wouldn't there have been a statement by now from the DOD saying that they met him in a formal setting but he presented no evidence and the matter is closed?

Instead, Congress are preparing formal hearings on the matter and Senators are stating things like:

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=XDC=FluphyBunny said:
He is working the same lines as something like Fox News. Oddly he also has a very similar following.
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These people are just milking the alien teat with both hands, squeezing as hard as they can to get every drop of juice out of it.

People like Michael Shellenberger make me laugh, he's been going around all of the lower quality desperate-for-clicks news networks, propagating this story, one after another - he must have made a good wad of cash for doing it. (I imagine they all do)

MookJong said:
What was he doing for the 12 hours with the Intelligence committees?
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They were probably passing the talking pillow around, and doing that thing that Americans do in big meetings, where everybody spends 15 mins introducing themselves - so all of that probably took 11.9 hours.
 
Pottsey said:
If the reports are true about the type of information they handed over it will be jail time.
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As others have said, they would need evidence that shows that Grusch was lying which would be extremely difficult to prove.

Either way, we're going around and around in circles. @Pottsey, you want to believe it's true which is perfectly fine, that's your prerogative. But without any real evidence, which is unlikely to ever be released to the public given the information is supposedly "classified", it's just some bloke telling a story to the media...

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Pottsey said:
David spent 8 hours with the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and 4 hours with the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.
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Is there any official information or documents, released by the GOV, that shows any of these took place?
From what i've seen so far, it's just what is being reported by Grusch and the media.
 
The Vegas story is utter trash and a complete distraction from the serious matter of Grusch's claims

If the media spent half the time asking the DOD some questions about Grusch rather than peddling the Vegas story we might actually get somewhere.
 
visibleman said:
Is there any official information or documents, released by the GOV, that shows any of these took place?
From what i've seen so far, it's just what is being reported by Grusch and the media.
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This is about all we know....

Timeline of David Grusch prior to his story being reported in The Debrief

This is the known timeline of events leading up to *The Debrief*'s article on David Grusch.

* 2009 - Begins military career as USAF intelligence officer
* 2011 - Reported as wing space control intelligence officer at Peterson Air Force Base, Colorado (Achieved rank of 1st Lieutenant before August’s US/South Korean military exercise Operation Ulchi Freedom Guardian) - https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Dis...ticle/112543/s-korea-us-begin-major-exercise/
* October 2012 - Selected as Captain of the 3rd Space Experimentation Squadron (described as “AFSPC's premier organization for space-based demonstrations, pathfinders and experiments”) based out of Schriever Space Force Base, Colorado - [https://www.schriever.spaceforce.mi...276246/schriever-recognizes-captain-selects/)
* After 2012 - Grusch attains rank of Major (Unclear when this happens, most likely sometime after 2012 and before entering civilian service in 2016)
* 2016 - Began serving in the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) as Senior Intelligence Officer
* Circa 2016 - Began serving in the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) as Senior Intelligence Capabilities Integration Officer - cleared at TS/SCI level (By 2021 he is a GS-15 civilian - military equivalent of Colonel)
* 2019-2021 - Was the NRO’s representative to the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force (UAPTF)
* July 2021 - Confidentially provided UAP-related classified information to the DoD IG Sean O’Donnell. Grusch states in his interview with Ross Coulthart that his directive to investigate UAPs was centered on extensive interviews with high-level intelligence officials, some of whom are directly involved with the program. These witnesses provided classified information and statements pointing toward the improper withholding and/or concealment of classified material from Congress by elements of the intelligence community - [https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...22/David-Grusch-PPD-19-Procedural-Filing.pdf)
* July 2021 - Grusch began experiencing reprisals after his confidential disclosure including the cancellation, delay, denial, and/or obstruction of compartmented accesses to other IC elements as well as various other retaliations and threats - he remained security-cleared by the NGA at this time
* Late 2021 - July 2022 - Was the NGA’s Senior Technical Advisor for Unidentified Aerial Phenomena analysis/Trans-Medium Issues
* Early 2022 - Helps draft the language on UAP for the FY2023 National Defense Authorization Act - most likely assisted with the provision stating that any person with relevant UAP information can inform Congress without retaliation, regardless of any previous non-disclosure agreements. (According to *The Debrief* Grusch prepared many briefs on unidentified aerial phenomena for Congress while in government)
* May 2022 - The first Inspector General of the Intelligence Community Charles McCullough III files a Disclosure of Urgent Concern(s); Complaint of Reprisal on behalf of Grusch with IC IG Thomas Monheim about detailed information that Grusch had gathered beginning in 2019 while working for the UAP Task Force
* July 2022 - The IC IG finds his May 2022 complaint “credible and urgent”. A summary was immediately submitted to the Director of National Intelligence, Avril Haines; the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence; and the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.
* December 23, 2022 - Biden signs the FY2023 National Defense Authorization Act into law. SEC. 1673 includes comprehensive UAP reporting procedures and whistleblower protections. (https://www.congress.gov/117/plaws/publ263/PLAW-117publ263.pdf)
* December 2022 - Grusch provides separate testimonies in a SCIF to the General Counsels of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, with committee lawyers and an Inspector General representative present. No members of Congress are present. (This is not verified as of writing but many sources report this to be the case.)
* April 4-6, 2023 - Grusch provides the Defense Office of Prepublication and Security Review at the Department of Defense with the information he intended to disclose to Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal
* April 7, 2023 - Grusch resigns from the US Government
* May 26, 2023 - Daniel Sheehan (attorney for a number of UAP-related projects and clients) name-drops Grusch in an interview before his claims are made public which, according to Ross Coulthart, prompted Grusch to expedite releasing the story
* June 5, 2023 - Grusch’s story is reported by *The Debrief*
 
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visibleman said:
As others have said, they would need evidence that shows that Grusch was lying which would be extremely difficult to prove.

Either way, we're going around and around in circles. @Pottsey, you want to believe it's true which is perfectly fine, that's your prerogative. But without any real evidence, which is unlikely to ever be released to the public given the information is supposedly "classified", it's just some bloke telling a story to the media...

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Is there any official information or documents, released by the GOV, that shows any of these took place?
From what i've seen so far, it's just what is being reported by Grusch and the media.
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There have been a handful. The legal complaint, Security Agent Directive9 files and for some reason the first page only of Grush statement and summery cleared by the DOD are out, no idea why pages 2+ are missing. While we are not 100% sure on the precise details of what happened in the meetings. There is no question that Grusch background checks out and and he really did submit confidentially to the whistleblower platform, then his named was leaked out. The Intelligence General said and signed a legal document that Grush complaint is credible and urgent.
 
Pottsey said:
There have been a handful. The legal complaint, Security Agent Directive9 files and for some reason the first page only of Grush statement and summery cleared by the DOD are out, no idea why pages 2+ are missing.
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Be interesting to see some links to these documents; so far i've found a few random documents on random hosting (like Squarespace) but nothing officially released by the GOV on one of their sites to show they're authentic.
 
This thread is making me want to fire up DOSBox and replay UFO 1. About as close as we're ever going to get to seeing aliens, let alone shooting them down :p
 
I don’t know why believers are saying the DOD aren’t denying it; they are:
“To date, AARO has not discovered any verifiable information to substantiate claims that any programs regarding the possession or reverse-engineering of extraterrestrial materials have existed in the past or exist currently,” Sue Gough a Department of Defense spokesperson said in a statement to The Independent.”

He’s going to run his mouth to the media for as long as he can to garner huge attention, and when he wants to ‘release his evidence’, he’ll sell it to the highest bidder.
 
I wonder why this ufo phenomenon is dominated so much by Americans?

American ex military, ex government, etc.

I would love for it to be real, but the fact that 99% of these "leaks" come from USA just doesn't sit right with me.
 
B&W said:
I wonder why this ufo phenomenon is dominated so much by Americans?

American ex military, ex government, etc.

I would love for it to be real, but the fact that 99% of these "leaks" come from USA just doesn't sit right with me.
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Its not just American that's sort of an illusion as we speak English. The UFO phenomenon is wide spread across the world in none English speaking counties. I would would even say it might be bigger in some none English speaking places. Take Brazil as an example. The Brazil government and military takes UFO's seriously and often scramble jets to try to intercept them with the pilots often reporting unexplained craft doing what appear to be impossible movements often backing each other up in what they have seen as in the entire fighter jet squadron. One example being the "Night of the UFOs" event with at lest 20 UFOS appeared on military radar, several military jets scrambled to intercept and confirmed presence over a period of hours. Backed up by multiple residents on the ground stretching from Sao Paulo to Rio de Janeiro. Brazil had Senate Hearings on UFO's but it didn't make the news over here as our news tends to only spread English Speaking news.

I am not saying all these are real or not, just this was an example of how UFOs are wide spread outside of English speaking community's and the UFO phenomenon is not limited to America or English speaking places.
 
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According to a survey, commissioned by BonusFinder.com, a staggering 92 percent of all reported UFO sightings take place in the U.S. — with 126,094 reported sightings across all states since record-keeping began. America’s neighbor to the north, Canada, comes in second with just 5,696 sightings during the same period. Interestingly, alien “spacecraft” like to stick around longer up north, with UFO incidents in Canada lasting for over five hours per sighting. The United Kingdom reported the third-most sightings with 3,146.
 
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Pottsey said:
Do you know why we only have one? The other probes crashed. The fail rate is extremely high.
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To be fair if they are able to travel the distances they are at the speed they are, they likely have lots of crashed 'test' probes a mere 10 viginbilliontrillion miles away. And their Area 51 too, that too.
 
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