Pentagon releases UFO footage

Evidence is a Live appearance nowadays, you can't trust video and photo evidence today.
And we don't know what the military's policy towards this stuff is.

Do they have a policy of encouraging people to believe in aliens? Would they gain from that? Can we rule it out?

Given that there is precisely zero transparency when dealing with the military, it's not something any of us can be confident about.
 
Why should I not believe the testimony of Fravor?
I haven't claimed anything else except that I believe what he said, so it's your lot doing the mental gymnastics.

I'm still waiting on an answer as to why you all think he's a fool.

Because all he is saying is he thinks he saw something. Humans think they see things all the time and are mistaken. Our brains are easily fooled. I'm not saying he's lying, I'm saying the chances it was a UFO is essentially zero.

The one thing no one ever has is actual proof. A sample of the ship or the aliens, its always an image that could be explained in other ways that doesn't involve aliens crossing lightyears. These aliens having created the technology to either travel near the speed of light or faster than the speed of light, solved the energy problems of that velocity to get here and back and solved the shielding problem of travelling at those velocities. They've solved all that, problems our greatest minds can't even get their heads around to think how it could be done but then crash, again and again when they get here. And you wonder why some of us think its utter nonsense?
 
I don't want to believe anything. I used to, in late 90s, but then lost all interest. I've heard a lot of other claims in the past few years and they're all meh.

But the Fravor case, yep I'm all in on that and having listened to him I believe everything he claims happened that day.

It is the most important encounter in the whole field.

Apart from this hearing, I know very little about the subject now.

The story that involves linking a lot of stuff together and assumes it’s caused by a 12ft tick tack? It’s a great story isn’t it?
 
And how much of that have you seen? Precisely none of it.

What are the motivations of the pilot or his employer? You don't know.

You cannot just assume people are telling the truth, because it suits you to do so.
We have seen the video and the other military crew from the navy ships involved who confirm the story. That alone means it should be taken seriously and properly investigated.
When a full Strike group of ships and multiple fighter pilots and weapon officers plus the people working directly on the ships sensor platforms are confirming the same event. I don’t see why you would write it off and dismiss it. That’s the point when a proper investigation is required. You say we shouldn't assume they are telling the truth but at the same time with that many people involved you shouldn't assume they are all lying. More so as the ones under oath will go to jail if they did lie.


Because all he is saying is he thinks he saw something. Humans think they see things all the time and are mistaken. Our brains are easily fooled. I'm not saying he's lying, I'm saying the chances it was a UFO is essentially zero.

The one thing no one ever has is actual proof. A sample of the ship or the aliens, its always an image that could be explained in other ways that doesn't involve aliens crossing lightyears. These aliens having created the technology to either travel near the speed of light or faster than the speed of light, solved the energy problems of that velocity to get here and back and solved the shielding problem of travelling at those velocities. They've solved all that, problems our greatest minds can't even get their heads around to think how it could be done but then crash, again and again when they get here. And you wonder why some of us think its utter nonsense?
No one has explained the video to go along with Fravor testimony. Also its not just Fravor. If it was just him only sure you could write it off as a mistake. But that is far less likely when the event involves, what was it 6 navy ships, 6 fighter jets with 12 crew (Pilot + Weapon Officer). Then we have the other pilots, weapon officers and crew who worked directly in the navy ships sensor rooms confirming the event. Further backed up by at least one of the pilots seems to be hit by active ECM as seen in the video and his testimony.



“These aliens having created the technology to either travel near the speed of light or faster than the speed of light, solved the energy problems of that velocity to get here and back and solved the shielding problem of travelling at those velocities. They've solved all that, problems our greatest minds can't even get their heads around to think how it could be done but then crash, again and again when they get here. And you wonder why some of us think its utter nonsense?”
If they are even visiting that would mean the number of sightings are real. Yet only a tiny, tiny fraction of those sighting are believed to have crashed. That would be about right for technology. If we assume the whistle-blowers are telling the truth about 12 crashes out of an estimated 1+ million visits spread over 100+ years its hardly unreasonable that a tiny fraction crashed. No technology is perfect or flawless. Pilots make mistakes, micro fracture develop and stress's build up over time and go unnoticed till its critical, unexpected problems arise. A small number of failure rates in any technology is to be expected. With enough craft of any type over enough time something at some point well go wrong.

Early on in this thread we speculated a large number of valid reasons that would explain a crash or probe being abandoned. Just look at our probes 99% of them that visited Mars have crashed or been abandoned after the objective has been complete. Saying a crash couldn’t happen is utter nonsense. Then there are all the possibilities like what if the alien craft is an unmanned probe on a one way trip to transmit data back. We could spend days coming up with valid reasons and speculation to explain why a craft could be lost or not be able to return.

Saying all this I believe the craft Favor encountered is far more likely to be a classified unmanned craft from an unknown military power spying on the navy fleet. I am just saying that if we are being visited by Aliens saying a crash couldn't happen is nonsense.
 
If they are even visiting that would mean the number of sightings are real. Yet only a tiny, tiny fraction of those sighting are believed to have crashed. That would be about right for technology.

Sorry but what are you basing that on? You are comparing their tech to ours when theirs would need to be beyond anything we can even comprehend. Do you think beings that have mastered interstellar travel would crash like we do with cars on Earth?
If we assume the whistle-blowers are telling the truth

I assume the exact opposite, that they are mistaken or lying because what they claim is fanciful.

Saying all this I believe the craft Favor encountered is far more likely to be a classified unmanned craft from an unknown military power spying on the navy fleet. I am just saying that if we are being visited by Aliens saying a crash couldn't happen is nonsense.

This is far more likely. Just about anything is more likely than aliens.
 
Sorry but what are you basing that on? You are comparing their tech to ours when theirs would need to be beyond anything we can even comprehend. Do you think beings that have mastered interstellar travel would crash like we do with cars on Earth?

To make your point better you need to compare our planes crashing to advanced Alien technology crashing.
That puts ET in an even higher % of rubbish flying, they have a really bad ratio of flights to crashing :)
 
Sorry but what are you basing that on? You are comparing their tech to ours when theirs would need to be beyond anything we can even comprehend. Do you think beings that have mastered interstellar travel would crash like we do with cars on Earth?
I am basing that on my understanding of technolgly and space. Yes I do think that beings that have mastered interstellar travel would still have failures and things go wrong. I think even if we get to that level in the distance future and we sent are large amount of unmanned probes out over a large timeframe. Then we would expect some to fail. Perhaps we would get to the stage where failure rates would be measured in 1 per year(s) or 1 per decade but they would still happen.

Even if we get failures rates down to 0.01 or 0.001. Given the timeframes we are talking about (100s of years) and the amount of visits per year we would still expect a crash. I can see failure rates getting extremely low but not zero.
 
To make your point better you need to compare our planes crashing to advanced Alien technology crashing.
That puts ET in an even higher % of rubbish flying, they have a really bad ratio of flights to crashing :)
There is a lot of guess work in the numbers. But if we go for 10 to 12 crash's as reported and assuming they have been visiting for over 100 years that's a significant better ratio to flights crashing then our own craft. That's less crash's in 100 years then we have in 1 year.
 
It's also interesting how it's only really the US who are very vocal about this.
That's not remotely accurate. Brazil is a good example but as they don't speak English you don't hear about it much in English communities. Even China behind the great firewall has UFO's. Its world wide not the US only. Even the French have there own encounters or the so called crash in Italy.
 
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That's not remotely accurate. Brazil is a good example but as they don't speak English you don't hear about it much in English communities. Even China behind the great firewall has UFO's. Its world wide not the US only. Even the French have there own encounters or the so called crash in Italy.
Care to share links to news articles etc?
 
There is a lot of guess work in the numbers. But if we go for 10 to 12 crash's as reported and assuming they have been visiting for over 100 years that's a significant better ratio to flights crashing then our own craft. That's less crash's in 100 years then we have in 1 year.

We have over 36.5Million flights a year and 70 or so crashes per year.. so that's 0.0002%

So lets go with what, 1000 sightings a year for UFOs, extrapolate for 100 years*, then say 12 crashes over that period , that's 0.012%

So no, that's horrifically worse that our own low tech aircraft..

* based on limited data of 80,000 sightings over 100 years in the US, so padding with 20,000 sightings to cover all other countries, because just taking the UK in to account we have so few (but still have some)..

Aliens travel across the universe using technology we can only dream of and their destination is predominantly the US.. weird as it's the least densely populated part of the planet.. it's also got the most idiots**

** obviously made up, but based on them having a large population and low average IQ compared to most other developed countries.
 
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There is a lot of guess work in the numbers. But if we go for 10 to 12 crash's as reported and assuming they have been visiting for over 100 years that's a significant better ratio to flights crashing then our own craft. That's less crash's in 100 years then we have in 1 year.

So you reckon Aliens have had more aircraft flying over Earth than we have?
According to Google we have 100,000 flights a day every day and you think Alien craft has more than that over the last 100 years?
You need to have a good hard think about that statement.
 
I am basing that on my understanding of technolgly and space. Yes I do think that beings that have mastered interstellar travel would still have failures and things go wrong. I think even if we get to that level in the distance future and we sent are large amount of unmanned probes out over a large timeframe. Then we would expect some to fail. Perhaps we would get to the stage where failure rates would be measured in 1 per year(s) or 1 per decade but they would still happen.

Even if we get failures rates down to 0.01 or 0.001. Given the timeframes we are talking about (100s of years) and the amount of visits per year we would still expect a crash. I can see failure rates getting extremely low but not zero.

You think there has been hundreds of visits and our governments have managed to cover them all up and not a single piece of physical evidence has ever leaked? You give our governments way too much credit.
 
Who says they are travelling across the universe? Grusch again proposed during the hearing that these may be interdimensional. Maybe we should imagine a submarine traversing between different mediums rather than spaceships.

So, I have technology analogous to magic, I'm so advanced - I can literally slip into different dimensions of time and space, yet when I get to earth I crash :confused:

Maybe I specced all my points into FTL and nothing else?
 
Because all he is saying is he thinks he saw something. Humans think they see things all the time and are mistaken. Our brains are easily fooled. I'm not saying he's lying, I'm saying the chances it was a UFO is essentially zero.
He didn't say "I think I saw something" he said he saw something. And it was 100% a UFO.

It's your problem if your associating that with aliens.
 
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