Pentagon releases UFO footage

SexyGreyFox said:
You know best, what do you think it was?
The Navy don't know.
If somebody told you they had seen Jesus in the park would you believe them without proof?
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I don’t know what it was and I am not saying that I do. I am just open minded.

Nobody really knows what they’re looking for so even if we got crystal clear footage of an alien craft assuming they exist people would still say it’s ’something’.
 
Tuppy_Glossop said:
Maybe these crashes aren't accidents. Aliens crashing deliberately for some reason?
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Maybe first contact could be a long drawn out process. A high degree of stability would have to exist in a civilisation that could develop and deploy interstellar spaceships, so maybe they wouldn't rush it. 50 years, 100 years, whatever. Give the uncontacted planet some carefully planned partial and uncertain glimpses of some things they can't identify. Maybe fake a crash of a carefully designed old (to them) tech ship in some way that makes its origins unclear to the not-quite-contacted civilisation. The general idea being to nudge the idea of first contact into the not-quite-contacted civilisation and see what they make of the idea, give them time to get used to the idea.

It's the only way I can think of to explain the wildly implausible idea of a highly developed society with technology beyond our comprehension somehow managing to get noticed by us and even crash here. Other than Douglas Adam's joke about UFOs being bored (and maybe drunk) adolescents messing with the primitives (i.e. us) for laughs.

Or maybe it's nothing to do with aliens and it's just some other stuff we can't identify. Or maybe it's gods. No way of telling.
 
I’d never thought about that, but it would be low key terrifying if we DID retrieve a crashed futuristic vehicle, and it turned out the occupants were simply human, but not from our time!
 
For the love of super advanced alien technology, will people please stop posting Twitter links :p I can't be the only person for whom Twitter (inc embedded) doesn't load, at all...
 
keyser van someone said:
The strange radar data we've had mentioned might turn out to be a quirk in the system and not a real object after all. Tweet from a former NASA engineer knowledgeable about such things.

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Its not likely at all to turn out to be a quirk in the radar system. The quirks that guy was talking about are completely unrelated to the what was reported and do not explained away the high resolution photos or ECM or eye witness's. Did you just read Micks post then repost and skip reading the links going along with it like you often do? An example of what his post is based on. One of the NASA quirks are things like one guy left and active beacon in his car, parked in the car park. A) the beacon wasnt moving and B) that type of problem doesn't apply out in the deep ocean.

That’s what Mick West does, he makes things up based on hearsay and pure speculation that is unproven then pretends it’s a proven fact. So he can make money off his target audience who blindly believe what he is saying is true. Mick is just like the BS UFOlogists in that regard. BS Artist Mick is just a mirror version of BS Artist UFOLogist Greer.

Mick is just trying to get free advertising for his book(s) and podcost to make more money.
 
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Pottsey said:
Its not likely at all to turn out to be a quirk in the radar system. The quirks that guy was talking about are completely unrelated to the what was reported and do not explained away the high resolution photos or ECM or eye witness's. Did you just read Micks post then repost and skip reading the links going along with it like you often do? An example of what his post is based on. One of the NASA quirks are things like one guy left and active beacon in his car, parked in the car park. A) the beacon wasnt moving and B) that type of problem doesn't apply out in the deep ocean.

That’s what Mick West does, he makes things up based on hearsay and pure speculation that is unproven then pretends it’s a proven fact. So he can make money off his target audience who blindly believe what he is saying is true. Mick is just like the BS UFOlogists in that regard. BS Artist Mick is just a mirror version of BS Artist UFOLogist Greer.

Mick is just trying to get free advertising for his book(s) and podcost to make more money.
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I thought the tic tac was a duck or something according to the deboonkers?
 
Pottsey said:
Its not likely at all to turn out to be a quirk in the radar system. The quirks that guy was talking about are completely unrelated to the what was reported and do not explained away the high resolution photos or ECM or eye witness's. Did you just read Micks post then repost and skip reading the links going along with it like you often do? An example of what his post is based on. One of the NASA quirks are things like one guy left and active beacon in his car, parked in the car park. A) the beacon wasnt moving and B) that type of problem doesn't apply out in the deep ocean.

That’s what Mick West does, he makes things up based on hearsay and pure speculation that is unproven then pretends it’s a proven fact. So he can make money off his target audience who blindly believe what he is saying is true. Mick is just like the BS UFOlogists in that regard. BS Artist Mick is just a mirror version of BS Artist UFOLogist Greer.

Mick is just trying to get free advertising for his book(s) and podcost to make more money.
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I had a feeling you wouldn't like his post ;) The language in all his posts is chosen carefully. 'Likely' and 'it's possible' etc, we aren't saying 'this is fact', Mick West is just providing a possible explanation. You can disagree with him, though you might need to come up with something other 'than he's talking BS'.

From this tweet we get a glimpse into the world of radar systems. It turns out they aren't 100% effective.

The other problem is that whatever the shortcomings of any military system are the public is never going to hear about them, coz they're secret etc.

You raise a good point though; how do radar systems cope with the ocean? All those waves bouncing the signals around.
 
Stu999 said:
I thought the tic tac was a duck or something according to the deboonkers?
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Yes they say its a duck that somehow used ECM to disable a figtherjet. Now they have changed from a duck to a radar glitch based on someone parking in a carpark with a parachute beacon left in the boot. Never mind that we are talking about being out in the deep ocean with navy ships.
 
keyser van someone said:
I had a feeling you wouldn't like his post ;) The language in all his posts is chosen carefully. 'Likely' and 'it's possible' etc, we aren't saying 'this is fact', Mick West is just providing a possible explanation. You can disagree with him, though you might need to come up with something other 'than he's talking BS'.

From this tweet we get a glimpse into the world of radar systems. It turns out they aren't 100% effective.

The other problem is that whatever the shortcomings of any military system are the public is never going to hear about them, coz they're secret etc.

You raise a good point though; how do radar systems cope with the ocean? All those waves bouncing the signals around.
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Of course, I don’t like the post it’s a double standard. Screeech spent months saying we shouldn’t listen to BS artists like that as they are all about the money selling books. Not only is he profiting from UFO's his ideas are not remotely likely or possible given what was reported.

If the fighterjet was hit and disabled by an ECM and the object was seen directly by first and witness’s with their own eyes then how could it likely be a radar glitch? Plus the object was seen by multiple navy ships and fighter jets radar. A glitch in 1 system wouldn’t affect all the other systems. I just don't buy into his nonsense. He is as bad as UFOLogist Greer. Plus you are ignoring that's its been officially confirmed the military has in some cases high resolution photos meaning its a real object not a made up sensor glitch.
 
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To give everyone an idea of how high up Mr. Grusch was. He was the Acting Chief of the Operations Center with a team of 30 and was responsible for the President's Daily Brief. His department had the largest budget of any intelligence agency.

He is some of the partly declassified UFO reports.

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“likely not a sensor artifact or focal plane anomaly”
“Similarity to previous report “tic tac” shape”
"did not match the visual signature of a normal aircraft”

It appeared in *multiple* satellite images, not merely one capture

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2kKZPoaAAQXYE3.jpg and https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2kKZPsaAAI23SD.jpg

More proof Grusch worked in a top secret department on UFO/UAP Trans-Medium Anomly issues.

This is the type of stuff Grusch had access to https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2kRe7sbgAADiRe.jpg

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Given his access level, job and reputation and the amount of people backing him up we shouldn't so easily dismiss what he is saying. Be Sceptical sure, but not dismissing out of hand. People say if all this is true someone would have leaked it out. Well isn't that just what Grusch is trying to do do? If it was real he had access to the information via his job and security clarence. I would like to remind everyone at this point Grusch is not saying Aliens/ET from another planet. He refused to use the word Alien.
 
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