Pentagon releases UFO footage
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There won't be. The inquiry will conclude and there will be no material change at that time, compared to now. Nothing compelling entered into the public domain.
There will be a whole bunch more speculation and people using the inquiry's very existence to "prove" alien visitation, as they are already.
And life will go on, and I'll continue to feel personally attacked that the aliens haven't knocked on my door. It's discrimination, I tell you.
I think it’s worth paying at least a modicum of attention to this enquiry as it appears to be the most likely to uncover the truth - whether that truth is finally disproving or proving the alien/non human aspect remains to be seen.
But imo it’s certainly (currently) a lot more interesting than the usual ‘I saw aliens’ nonsense a lot of folk like to shout from time to time for their own financial gain.
It means a few things. The first is when you are on a high wage of $175k with a $1million pension pot. It makes it more unlikely its a hoax he is pulling as who would want to give up a 175k wage, risk jail time and risk losing there $1million+ retirement pot all for a hoax. It also sort of invalidates the idea that he is doing this to make money out of a fake UFO story. Why would someone give up that high a wage and risk all that just to perhaps make $10,000 from a fake story. Of course that doesn't make the story true it just makes it far less likely to be fake as he would have to be crazy to risk all that.
It also means due to his rank he actually had access to the projects and data that he claims he has access to. If a low level grunt says he did a review of all the Intelligence projects and found something illegal you would question how he had access. If the head of an Intelligence department with 30 people working under him says he used his access to review the projects and found something illegal its far more believable.
As I pointed out before Grusch isn't saying its 100% Aliens he wont even use the word Alien as he wants to keep other options open for what it might be. The core of Grusch complaint is there are billions of dollars unaccounted for or missing in the audits and there are hidden SAP programs and hidden Skunkworks running illegal projects without oversight from Congress or without reporting to Congress. Some of those programs have recovered craft of unknown origin. Which he is not saying are 100% aliens from other planets. Just craft he cannot explain which might be alien or might be something else, he just doesn't know what the craft is.
People say its a prank but who would give up there $175k job, risk jail time and risk there retirement pensions just for a prank or just to make a little money on a fake story. Its not completely impossible but its seems extremely unlikely to me.
Is it really that unrealistic that some of the missing money was directed into illegal black projects or illegal skunkworks projects.
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People are motivated by different things. Sometimes it's not money, sometimes it's fame/infamy.
You cannot build an argument around people (that you do not know) always acting logically and in good faith. It's far from guaranteed.
You cannot build an argument around people (that you do not know) always acting logically and in good faith. It's far from guaranteed.
But who told the Major. Maybe it was a private.
Grusch seemingly refused to talk to the AARO, but did talk to George Knapp over a year ago…
Grusch says he has evidence of assaults and even murder. Did he go to the Police or FBI? Seems like he sat tight for a year or two until he could get himself on live television and announce this to the world.
Major Grusch seems questionable to me.
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He may well be very questionable and for certain has a lot more questions to answer but he still carries enough credibility - for now at least - to make what’s being said interesting to me, without the need for me to jump straight into ‘omg it’s aliens’ or ‘omg it’s a bird you retard’. Seems the middle ground isn’t somewhere a lot of folk like to tread in these types of threads.
Are you aware Kirkpatrick looks to be in a lot of trouble at the moment and rumours are he is near to being fired. He hasn't been doing what he should do. He didn't launch the website for people to contact AARO missing the deadline. Not only did he not lunch the ARRO website but its been over a year and there is zero way to contact Kirkpatrick or ARRO. No phone number, no email, no website, twitter has been abandoned with 1 single post on launch, no forms to fill out. Kirkpatrick has made is impossible for anyone wanting to submit evidence to contact him or ARRO.
"Grusch says he has evidence of assaults and even murder. Did he go to the Police or FBI? Seems like he sat tight for a year or two until he could get himself on live television and announce this to the world."
Grusch followed the correct whistle-blower procedure in 2021 and informed the inspector generals who confirmed his evidence was credible. The inspector generals talked to other people working with Gruash and they confirmed he is telling the truth. There is an ongoing investigation which is why Grusch is limited in what he can say as he cannot say anything that will impact this. I would also point out at the recent briefing there was meant to be more first hand witnesses but they pulled out due to threats against them. Further backing up what Gruash is saying.
By the way calling Crush "Major Crush" weakens your position as everyone can see he is not a Major as his last job was an Officer at National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency Officer (NGA) and the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) GS-15 which is massively beyond what a major has access to. The point is in those two jobs he had access to the information you say a major could not access. So calling him a junior major who couldn't access the information is just you being dishonest. Why does it matter that he used to be the rank of Major in 2012? When the information he is talking about came from when he was promoted beyond a Major in the Intelligence department?
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@Pottsey What will you say (or think) if the inquiry concludes without putting anything new into the public domain? Will it have been a success? Will you have seen or heard enough to conclude that there really is non-human technology buzzing around?
This, I think, is causing confusion. The inference here (whether intentional or not) is that he held a military rank higher than a major - he didn’t, the gs grades to the best of my knowledge are for civilian staff. I’ll admit I don’t know if those civilian grades allow him greater access to these programs he talks about than a ‘full bird colonel’ in the military but major was the highest military rank he held - folk will jump on your posts that seem to indicate you saying he held a higher rank than major as a way to discredit the rest of your posts content.
Maj or Col makes no difference. Both are very junior ranks. IMO It’s very unlikely officers of this level would access to such sensitive information. Information so classified that allegedly these powers are desperately attempting to keep from the public, even going as far as to murder to protect.
Major Grusch needs to back up his claims and allegations.
Major Grusch needs to back up his claims and allegations.
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I really would love for there to be something "not of this world" just to put things in perspective for us self-centric humans. But the cynic is me suspects we are being played. Back in the 40's Kenneth Arnold describes something like a flying saucer and every man and his dog starts seeing saucer shaped craft. Jump forwards a few decades and the saucers become triangles as coincidentally the US are developing stealth aircraft. Step into the present day and just as "drone" technology is becoming the way forwards. Now virtually every sighting looks vaguely like a drone!? It's a little bit too convenient that there's talk of an "alien threat" so something to be investigated and have money thrown at it when at the moment the US don't have boots on the ground in some major conflict to act as a cash-cow. That said Mr Putin may well turn into a money spinner.
If it turns out not to be aliens but some sort of classified project running human made experimental or exotic technology of some sort I wont be disappointed as I have often said not only might that be the case but its far more likely. As I said many times its more likely to be some sort of classified unmanned craft. If the inquiry concludes without putting anything in public domain then it will be disappointing to not see the radar and high resolution photos that all the high ranking officials are talking about. I would like to think at least some of the documentation Gruash handed over could be shown to us even if partly redacted. A large amount of the briefing was talking about over classifying things and to much being restricted. So surly some of that stuff needs to be declassified and shown to us.
You are correct I should be saying equivalent rank which I started off doing then stopped for some reason. Sorry for any confusion.
I just don't get why someone is so hung up on the Major rank as a reason to discredit Grusch. It is very clear that Grusch had not only the correct Intelligence rank but also the correct classified access rights to access the classified data that he says he did. Calling him a Major and junior rank just seems to be a dishonest way to pretend he didn't have access to that the classified data.
National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency Officer (NGA) and the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) at GS-15 rank are not junior ranks they are in fact extremely high ranks and those positions do have access to the classified sensitive information being talked about. Grusch did backup his claims and allegations by handing over the documentation, photos, project names, time and dates and people involved to the Inspector Generals and directly to Congress.
Yes as a Major Grush wouldn't have had access. But he stopped being a major over a decade ago. As National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency Officer (NGA) Grush very much had access. So you can pretend he is only a major as much as you like. Everyone can see you are just being dishonest about his access level.
The problem with that is that if that information isn’t made public then his and others testimony is only hearsay as far as the scrutinising public are concerned.
Grusch only made Major. He claimed his civilian rank was the equivalent of Colonel… You can make out Grusch was a high ranking officer, but the facts are he wasn’t.
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GS-15 is not a rank, it's a civil service pay scale; his rank is (USAF) Major - stop suggesting both are the same as they're not in any shape or form and it's simply spreading misinformation.
Edit - Link to GS pay scales, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Schedule_(US_civil_service_pay_scale)
Edit 2 - @Pottsey, you keep mentioning Grusch had a civil servant GS-15 pay scale and had access to information that is/was "...beyond what a major has access to"; can you please provide a source that states what you're claiming in that civil service pay scales determines, or equates to, security clearance level access?
Secondly, are you able to provide any information on what security clearance he actually had?
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Isn’t that what this hearing is supposed to be doing - or at least trying to do? Investing his claims and evidence is the best way to do that but it needs to be made public, irrespective of the outcome, at some point otherwise it all remains hearsay as far us plebs are concerned.
Personally I don't see how actual contact with aliens or their technology could be covered up, or kept secret, even if that was the doctrine of the day.
Let's not forget that the US couldn't even keep their nuclear projects a secret when first developed, and they ended up in the hands of their opponents. People are not robots, and human factors can never be eliminated entirely, with all the training and all the classification clearance in the world, and more.
When it comes to something as mind-blowingly monumental as actual proof of alien existence, I don't think any amount of top-secret classification could suppress that revelation. I just do not believe that it would be possible. I do not for one second believe that every individual within the intelligence community, or military, when presented with such evidence, would agree to play their individual part in suppressing that information. The ramifications of that knowledge would be so great as to break any loyalty to the chain of command or national security protocols. Enough people would want to share this with the world, and have the means to do so conclusively.
Again, the nukes. The Russians weren't just told about their existence. They didn't just give them blurry photos of a bomber. They leaked actual designs and testing data and yadda, yadda. Enough to build their own bombs.
I would say it is virtually guaranteed that the discovery of alien intelligence could not under any circumstances be kept secret.
Lastly, we have a huge amount of civilian equipment that could potentially detect alien craft in our atmosphere, or potentially even approaching our planet. It's hard to envisage a scenario where they get here completely undetected by civvies, only to buzz around posing candidly for the military. And then either crash for the lulz or leave completely undetected by civvies, again.
It's all far, far, far too convenient. Far too implausible. Almost any other potential explanation is exponentially more likely.
Let's not forget that the US couldn't even keep their nuclear projects a secret when first developed, and they ended up in the hands of their opponents. People are not robots, and human factors can never be eliminated entirely, with all the training and all the classification clearance in the world, and more.
When it comes to something as mind-blowingly monumental as actual proof of alien existence, I don't think any amount of top-secret classification could suppress that revelation. I just do not believe that it would be possible. I do not for one second believe that every individual within the intelligence community, or military, when presented with such evidence, would agree to play their individual part in suppressing that information. The ramifications of that knowledge would be so great as to break any loyalty to the chain of command or national security protocols. Enough people would want to share this with the world, and have the means to do so conclusively.
Again, the nukes. The Russians weren't just told about their existence. They didn't just give them blurry photos of a bomber. They leaked actual designs and testing data and yadda, yadda. Enough to build their own bombs.
I would say it is virtually guaranteed that the discovery of alien intelligence could not under any circumstances be kept secret.
Lastly, we have a huge amount of civilian equipment that could potentially detect alien craft in our atmosphere, or potentially even approaching our planet. It's hard to envisage a scenario where they get here completely undetected by civvies, only to buzz around posing candidly for the military. And then either crash for the lulz or leave completely undetected by civvies, again.
It's all far, far, far too convenient. Far too implausible. Almost any other potential explanation is exponentially more likely.