Pentagon releases UFO footage

Screeeech said:
The fact that one man, says he heard somebody say there are crashed flying-saucers and "non-human" pilots, or whatever - and didn't even see them himself, let alone show any evidence - can cause this much aggro, it's amazing.

How anyone can have this much blind faith in this one person's statement, is just bizarre.
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Problem is people have so much invested in this belief that admitting they might be wrong and its all a crock of **** just isn't an option.
 
lovelyhead said:
Until the public has seen proof confirming what Grusch is saying is true, it is all just talk.
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Even if (and that is a universe sized if) it's all true, the best outcome is a bit more of the government (congressmen, senators etc) will know a tad more, it will still be a fraction of what is actually happening, about what secret/black projects are taking place. The government(s) won't disclose to the public as any evidence is all classified/'Top Secret' and arguably there's no real reason to, so us plebs will still forever more be in the dark.

Again, if it is true then i think it will be many decades, if not centuries, before it gets disclosed to the public and even then, i wouldn't be surprised if it would take a Star Trek First Contact or The Day the Earth Stood Still type experience with green men landing in a busy public place before they disclose it.
 
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Colonel_Klinck said:
Problem is people have so much invested in this belief that admitting they might be wrong and its all a crock of **** just isn't an option.
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You can see how much the UFO community has built up the likes of Grusch and Fravor by looking at the banner of the subreddit:

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Looks like people on that sub reddit have doxxed the journo that released the FOIA request.
 
visibleman said:
Even if (and that is a universe sized if) it's all true, the best outcome is a bit more of the government (congressmen, senators etc) will know a tad more, it will still be a fraction of what is actually happening, about what secret/black projects are taking place. The government(s) won't disclose to the public as any evidence is all classified/'Top Secret' and arguably there's no real reason to, so us plebs will still forever more be in the dark.

Again, if it is true then i think it will be many decades, if not centuries, before it gets disclosed to the public and even then, i wouldn't be surprised if it would take a Star Trek First Contact or The Day the Earth Stood Still type experience with green men landing in a busy public place before they disclose it.
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The thing I keep asking myself is, after all these years since Roswell, where is the UFO Snowden or Manning? The person who leaked real info on UFO's would go down in history. I can't believe that there is not one person that has compelling proof of aliens that would not be prepared to risk it all to be the person who disclosed the existence of alien life. Grusch ain't that guy.
 
The thing I don't understand either, is if it exists (for example the claims are real) - why keep it all a secret for all this time?

The technology if it existed, could change humanity and solve so many problems for everybody on the planet, it just doesn't make sense to keep it all a secret.

This retort of "The government want to control us, and keep it all locked up secret for military programs, yada yada yada" just doesn't make any logical sense whatsoever*.

*Of course in the real world, with the current performance and competance of governments, there's not a chance they could keep their own arse a secret, let alone flying-saucers...
 
Read Admiral Timothy Gallaudet has just joined in and said it’s all real. He confirmed he knows some of the people Gruch has spoken with.

Changing topics a little. Just clicked that link Lovelyhead posted and this popped up at the top.

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UFO Sightings in Belgium, 1990

The Belgian Air Force discusses sightings there in 1990 and the use of F-16 jets to locate them along with radar. Recorded in 1993.
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What do we make of this video as far as I am aware it hasn’t been debunked. If you ignore the cheesy music, it contains a segment of the radar footage which is impossible to be a bird, balloon or fighterjet. A brief look into it and it seems on radar the object ascended 7000 feet to 10,000 feet in 5 seconds and exceeded speeds that the fighter jets could keep up with. Although its old footage they say the object was seen on ground radar, visual confirmation on the ground including from police, 2500 witness statements and fighter jets radar with target lock. Wasnt a one off event lasted on and off over 2 years.

“Major General Wilfried De Brouwer of the Belgian Airforce talks about encounters with strange objects in 1990-1991 period in Belgium by civilians and military pilots. The video also shows a segment of a radar encounter from one of the MFD screens of a belgian airforce fighter jet. The objects are reported to exhibit maneuvers that would be fatal to human pilots and would require a sophisticated level of technology.”

The description of the objects behaviour from the Belgian Airforce is identical to what the US, France, Brazil and all the others are reporting.

“It was reported that thirty separate groups of witnesses saw it, plus three separate groups of gendarmes, totaling 143 in all. The peak of the activity came four months later on the night of March 30, 1990 and extending into the wee hours of March 31 when accounts claim that Belgian F-16 fighter planes were scrambled to intercept a number of mysterious objects in the sky. They obtained radar lock on nine occasions, confirmed by ground radar, but the objects made maneuvers at such high speed that the F-16s could not keep up and lost them. The incident was witnessed by 13,500 people on the ground, of whom 2,600 made written statements“
 
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Screeeech said:
It's clearly aliens.

If you look at the diamond on the HUD, you can make out ever so slightly that it's flying on a tilt, absolute confirmed evidence, 100%.
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Until its debunked its valid evidence to go over. What is the point of you being in this thread if all you are going to do is dismiss everything out of hand? You wanted evidence well here is evidence to go over backed up by first hand witness's on mass, ground radar and air radar. The object is clearly a real physical craft as they managed target locks cross referenced with ground radar and visuals from reliable sources. Its not a balloon, not a bird and moves at speeds faster the fighter jets as seen on the radar footage and seen by over 13,500 witnesses.
 
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Pottsey said:
Until its debunked its valid evidence to go over. What is the point of you being in this thread if all you are going to do is dismiss everything out of hand? You wanted evidence well here is evidence to go over backed up by first hand witness's on mass, ground radar and air radar. The object is clearly a real physical craft as they managed target locks cross referenced with ground radar and visuals from reliable sources. Its not a balloon, not a bird and moves at speeds faster the fighter jets as seen on the radar footage and seen by over 13,500 witnesses.
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Screeeech only believes in one thing. His unbelief!
 
Pottsey said:
Until its debunked its valid evidence to go over. What is the point of you being in this thread if all you are going to do is dismiss everything out of hand? You wanted evidence well here is evidence to go over backed up by first hand witness's on mass, ground radar and air radar. The object is clearly a real physical craft as they managed target locks cross referenced with ground radar and visuals from reliable sources. Its not a balloon, not a bird and moves at speeds faster the fighter jets as seen on the radar footage and seen by over 13,500 witnesses.
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I think you misunderstand. What we want is compelling evidence of aliens or their craft. So a bunch of observations of things that haven't (yet) been explained doesn't fit that bill.

Things that haven't yet been explained are things that haven't yet been explained. We've had reports of things that haven't yet been explained for decades. Centuries.. Sometimes they eventually get explained and it turns out to be something really mundane. Like a sensor malfunction. Or a swan in a blizzard :p

What we haven't yet had is something unexplained that turned out to be aliens :p It's either remained unexplained or been debunked.

The people saying, "It's 100% aliens and I've met them and we played chess for a few hours before they gave us a super-advanced blueprint for a sentient coffee machine," don't tend to substantiate those claims with compelling material evidence. Like putting those objects on display somewhere.

Maybe there are people in the military who believe in aliens with all their hearts. Still not good enough until we see that sentient coffee machine and drink from its many-tentacled nozzles.

What it comes down to is too many false starts. Too much crying wolf. Too many hoaxes. Too many grifters. Too many crazies.

Show us the aliens or we'll just carry on playing XBox and not caring, basically.
 
FoxEye said:
I think you misunderstand. What we want is compelling evidence of aliens or their craft. So a bunch of observations of things that haven't (yet) been explained doesn't fit that bill.

Things that haven't yet been explained are things that haven't yet been explained. We've had reports of things that haven't yet been explained for decades. Centuries.. Sometimes they eventually get explained and it turns out to be something really mundane. Like a sensor malfunction. Or a swan in a blizzard :p

What we haven't yet had is something unexplained that turned out to be aliens :p It's either remained unexplained or been debunked.

The people saying, "It's 100% aliens and I've met them and we played chess for a few hours before they gave us a super-advanced blueprint for a sentient coffee machine," don't tend to substantiate those claims with compelling material evidence. Like putting those objects on display somewhere.

Maybe there are people in the military who believe in aliens with all their hearts. Still not good enough until we see that sentient coffee machine and drink from its many-tentacled nozzles.

What it comes down to is too many false starts. Too much crying wolf. Too many hoaxes. Too many grifters. Too many crazies.

Show us the aliens or we'll just carry on playing XBox and not caring, basically.
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That’s where I partly disagree. I fully agree that we shouldn’t jump to 100% its Aliens on the current evidence. I see the people who jump to 100% Aliens just as bad as the people who automatically dismiss everything out of hand. We should go where the data leads us. Not decided what it is or is not before even looking at the data. That's the problem I have with some people in this thread. They decided what they want to see before even looking at the evidence. Then they ignore the evidence and create fake narrative to match what they want to see.

I just think at this point we shouldn’t be dismissing anything out of hand as there have been to many consistent reports world wide from not only civilians but military and differing militaries at that. To many fighter pilots, to many high-ranking officers, to many radar contacts all that are consisted enough for this to very likely be something. Perhaps this will turn out to be a previously undiscovered natural phenomenon or something else. But it does appear as though something is happening worldwide and not as a one off event. Which we will never figure out if people are just going to dismiss it out of hand and decide what it is before even looking at the evidence.
 
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We need to get a normalised UFO reading. What is the average UFO report rate for every country 24/7 for the past 30 years?

What is the normalised report rate for radar anomalies in every country 24/7 for the past 30 years?

What are the chances of these 2 things happening at the same time?

Coz you might just have some dodgy radar system, the operators/engineers know about it but can't figure out what's causing it, but they know just to ignore it. Until one day someone see that data and spits out their coffee and calls everyone.
 
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keyser van someone said:
I think this information should be put forward under oath immediately. 2600 written statements? Can I read them?

What was the weather doing that night? :) Maybe the light reflected off Venus, hit swam gas and the rest is 1990 history.
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Let me guess as per normal you skipped the evidence and jumped straight to seeing what you want to see. As for the weather the object appeared multiple times on different days in different weather conditions which you would know if you clicked the links. Its clearly not swamp gas given there is radar footage showing it moving from 7000 feet to 10,000 feet in 5 seconds and that ground radar plus fighter jets picked it up with there own radar and got at target lock. Along with ground witnesses in large numbers who got a visual. I don't think the police gave out all the statements only confirmed how many they took. Though there are enough statements in that link for you to go over.

"We need to get a normalised UFO reading. What is the average UFO report rate for every country 24/7 for the past 30 years?
We have been over this before. The majority of them are Orb shape, 1 to 4 meters in size typically at attitudes of 10k to 30k moving up to Mach 2 speeds, no thermal exhaust detected.

"What are the chances of these 2 things happening at the same time?"
Extremely low. Only a small percent are radar anomalies.

Maximum Triceratops said:
Well it looks like flight MH370 didn't crash after all, it was warped into another dimension or obliterated by 3 orbs, I know I know, complete nonsense but the analysis of this on UFOS subreddit is a great read.....

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Old footage of several UFO’s stealing an airliner out of the sky and teleporting away with it.

Hello! Recently I saw this footage circulating online and I was hoping that someone here might have information about when this was taken and...
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The analysis of the people in that subreddit was its fake and they recreated it to prove its fake. "thermal and satellite video of the plane are real, but the flying objects around it—and the flash and disappearance—are digital effects."
 
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