Pentagon releases UFO footage

Pottsey said:
If the odds of it being Aliens is 0.01% then your idea of the entire thing being just a hoax are barely better at 0.04% its almost just as crazy. The fact you cannot see that and worse you think it’s a good idea is unbelievable. It’s not good it’s extremely farfetched at this point.
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Does it not bother you in the slightest, that the original story published in the debrief - (the article which started all of this) was published by UFO foamers - Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal ?

If it had come from David Attenborough or Barack Obama - y'know, maybe it might hold a bit more water, but it came from a second-rate tin pot UFO nut website, full of the same old crap.

If you can't see this (quality of source) as a problem, you're beyond help.
 
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Screeeech said:
Does it not bother you in the slightest, that the original story published in the debrief - (the article which started all of this) was published by UFO foamers - Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal ?

If it had come from David Attenborough or Barack Obama - y'know, maybe it might hold a bit more water, but it came from a second-rate tin pot UFO nut website, full of the same old crap.

If you can't see this (quality of source) as a problem, you're beyond help.
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But it wasn't just a UFO community event was it? It was being driven through Congress.

In your opinion, what happened to the whole driver for this set out through the original bill which appeared to have bipartisan support at that stage and if that was indeed the case the final version (not necessarily as currently presented), as ammended (S.Amdt.797 to S.2226), was passed by the Senate.

https://www.congress.gov/amendment/118th-congress/senate-amendment/797/text?s=a&r=10

This forms part of the S.2226 National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2024 so it had to be passed by the Autumn.

Progress of this can be tracked here:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/2226

The above links are direct to the official documentation. No conjecture or miss representation.

The wording on the ammendment was very precise around UAPs and the processes for disclosure or non disclosure.
 
Scrutinize said:
But it wasn't just a UFO community event was it? It was being driven through Congress.
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I'm not really interested in the congressional hearings - it looks like an American charade, full of politicians who don't really know what they're doing, what they're talking about or what problems they're trying to solve, they're just creating a huge noise.

I like to stick to the original claims made, by the original people involved - and I'll make my own determination.
 
Screeeech said:
Does it not bother you in the slightest, that the original story published in the debrief - (the article which started all of this) was published by UFO foamers - Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal ?

If it had come from David Attenborough or Barack Obama - y'know, maybe it might hold a bit more water, but it came from a second-rate tin pot UFO nut website, full of the same old crap.

If you can't see this (quality of source) as a problem, you're beyond help.
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But Barack Obama did do an interview where he said these things are real and flying around. It’s been posted in this thread more than enough times. Why don’t you believe him? Plus he is not the only President to have an interest or flat out say they are real. Then we have the Defence Minister of Canada and well the list goes on and on of high ranking official saying its real. Into the 100's of people now. Are they all in on this big world wide hoax of yours? Including rival counties that hate each other? How do you explain Barack Obama saying these unknown objects are flying around? Is he not a good enough quality of source for you?

We have been over Leslei Kean before. She is an award winning top end Investigative Journalist. She ran the flagship Flashpoint program and she discovered by following the money trails the U.S. Department of Defence had a secrete UFO department that turned out to be real. A department at the time the US denied but now admits.

She also was the one to speak to the whistle-blowers and report on them from inside the real UFO/UAP government departments. It turned out these people where not a hoax or fake but real and really did that job with the classified access level.

So no, I don’t see a problem with the quality of the reporter. She is based in the real world and has a good track record. She is not just a random reporter but a proper Investigative Journalist with a really good track record.

You say I am beyond help but you’re the one that is misrepresenting the quality of the sources and then writing off valid sources off as nonsense. You seem to want to write her off as a joke because of her UFO content. But that UFO content turned out to be valid and real, not a joke.



“Does it not bother you in the slightest, that the original story published in the debrief –“
How many times do I have to point out that is not what started this. Is goes further back. What started it for me was when Leslei Kean back in was it around 2017 got wind of and found out as a Investigative Journalist about a classified hidden department in the U.S. Department of Defence studying UFO’s/UAPs. It turned out to be all true and real and she proved it. She published that article based on real world data and that is to me what started it all. It was the start of the UFO/UAP Taskforce in the government being shown to be real. It was the start of the whistle-blowers from inside those UFO/UAP Taskforce(s) being able to come forward and speak to someone about what they had been doing inside the department.

You seem to be forgetting these are official government departments with official high ranking government staff that had access to the real classified databases that we are talking about. What is wrong with the quality of that source?

You acting like its some random guy working at some random dead-end job who is drunk and telling stories to his mate. A guy who can some how blag he way though a full ICIG and SKIF which is pretty much impossible to do.
 
Pottsey said:
But Barack Obama did do an interview where he said these things are real and flying around. It’s been posted in this thread more than enough times.
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Did Obama agree with David Grusch, that the US government is reverse engineering flying saucers, and is in possession of alien, though ?

(Because that’s what Grusch claimed)
 
Pottsey said:
But Barack Obama did do an interview where he said these things are real and flying around. It’s been posted in this thread more than enough times. Why don’t you believe him? Plus he is not the only President to have an interest or flat out say they are real.
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If anybody can be interested to watch the TMZ 3x parter there are about 6 Presidents all saying something's going on or words to that effect.

However no, Obama hasn't said craft are being reverse engineered just that things are out there.
 
Screeeech said:
I'm not really interested in the congressional hearings.....

I like to stick to the original claims made, by the original people involved - and I'll make my own determination.
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Surely you have disproven your own discussion point here? Why did you counter your own debate in your own post within a few lines of each other.

As you say, the links are nothing to do with the congressional hearings, rather the legislation compelling disclosure. These do as you so rightly indicated, accurately represent the claims made by official USA Gvt departments including the Presidential office and original people involved over the prolonged time period.

And as you rightly picked up the links are to the official government legislation and process so no conjecture.

At least you are agreeing with it now.
 
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Scrutinize said:
Surely you have disproven your own discussion point here? Why did you counter your own debate in your own post within a few lines of each other.
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Stop it! :D

You're doing that thing that UFO people do, they can't actually argue the point, so they muddy the waters by trying to tie the discussion in knots.

My position is crystal clear:
  • David Grusch made nonsense claims about aliens and UFOs, which he made on video to the media
  • Those comments are highly significant, because they're foundational to his character, and give an insight into his trustworthiness (making such comments without evidence)
I don't care what congress says or does - it's of no concern to me whatsoever, and I'm not interested in it.
 
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Screeeech said:
Does it not bother you in the slightest, that the original story published in the debrief - (the article which started all of this) was published by UFO foamers - Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal ?

If it had come from David Attenborough or Barack Obama - y'know, maybe it might hold a bit more water, but it came from a second-rate tin pot UFO nut website, full of the same old crap.

If you can't see this (quality of source) as a problem, you're beyond help.
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Screeeech said:
Stop it! :D

You're doing that thing that UFO people do, they can't actually argue the point, so they muddy the waters by trying to tie the discussion in knots.

My position is crystal clear:
  • David Grusch made nonsense claims about aliens and UFOs, which he made on video to the media
  • Those comments are highly significant, because they're foundational to his character, and give an insight into his trustworthiness (making such comments without evidence)
I don't care what congress says or does - it's of no concern to me whatsoever, and I'm not interested in it.
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Have you or haven't you read the official documentation which comes from the credible sources you stated in your earlier post ie the USA Presidential Offices (ie Obama/Democrats) and their official Governmental Representatives?

Your second post as quoted, now appears to discount the sources you're referencing in your first post and both quoting and stating as credible; so are they not credible? Therefore your request for them as a source is not credible, ie you have no credibility?

So it appears what you are saying that you are muddying the waters by discounting the answers to your own position which are contained within the legislation and process since they are of no concern to you.

So in answering your own question, you're not actually interested in it and by admissions have no credibility by proxy of stating Grusch has no credibility, since his is the official legislative position that you're stating has no credibility?
 
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Scrutinize said:
Have you or haven't you read the official documentation which comes from the credible sources you stated in your earlier post ie the USA Presidential Offices (ie Obama/Democrats) and their official Governmental Representatives?

Your second post as quoted, now appears to discount the sources you're referencing in your first post and both quoting and stating as credible; so are they not credible? Therefore your request for them as a source is not credible, ie you have no credibility?

So it appears what you are saying that you are muddying the waters by discounting the answers to your own position which are contained within the legislation and process since they are of no concern to you.

So in answering your own question, you're not actually interested in it and by admissions have no credibility by proxy of stating Grusch has no credibility, since his is the official legislative position that you're stating has no credibility?
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Trying to make a smokescreen of confusion isn't going to get you anywhere.
 
Scrutinize said:
So you're saying that your position is purely a subjective emotive one, rather than objective?
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I wouldn't say it's emotive (because I don't really care that much) - subjective, absolutely.

I don't think it's possible to have an objective opinion of a claim as exotic as "reverse engineering UFOs and captured aliens" when the claimant has presented zero evidence.
 
Screeeech said:
Did Obama agree with David Grusch, that the US government is reverse engineering flying saucers, and is in possession of alien, though ?

(Because that’s what Grusch claimed)
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Obama said: two key things

"WELL, WHEN IT COMES TO ALIENS, THERE ARE SOME THINGS I JUST CAN'T TELL YOU ON AIR."

He also went on to say
"SO BUT WHAT IS TRUE AND I'M ACTUALLY BEING SERIOUS HERE, IS THAT THERE ARE-- THERE IS FOOTAGE AND RECORDS OF OBJECTS IN THE SKIES THAT WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE. WE CAN'T EXPLAIN HOW THEY MOVE THEIR TRAJECTORY. THEY DID NOT HAVE AN EASILY EXPLAINABLE PATTERN. AND SO YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT PEOPLE STILL TAKE SERIOUSLY TRYING TO INVESTIGATE AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT IS."

(Transcribe came out in all caps)

While the objects may or may not be Aliens and I am inclined to say not Aliens. They are real. Given that they are real is it so hard to believe that Gruchs is telling the truth that what ever they are it was recovered and studied in a Special Access Project.

If there is nothing to this why do we have 6 Presidents from the US saying its real and some of them said they are first hand witness seeing things directly, the Defence Minster of Canada, Chief Scientist for Air Force Space Command, Robert Sarbacher U.S. Department of Defense Research and Development Board, Nat Kobitz, Aeronautical Engineer, Director of Advanced Technology Development & Assessment, Jonathan Grey, officer of the US Intelligence Community with a Top-Secret Clearance working for the National Air and Space Intelligence Center (NASIC), Karl Nell Army Colonel, Arthur Exxon brigadier general, Thomas Dubose, brigadier general, Jesse Marcel, lieutenant colonel, Bob Oeschler, NASA Mission Specialist, David Grusch, former intelligence official, veteran of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) and the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO), the entire SKIF committee, the entire IGIC investigation, Jose Carlos Pereira, brigadier from Brazilian Air Force and everyone else I didn't not even count like all the people outside the US like Jose Carlos Pereira, brigadier from Brazilian Air Force and well it must be over 100 people now.

Somehow you want us to believe this is just some sort of world wide hoax where world wide leaders and Intelligence officers have been fooled by someone just telling a fake story?

Doesn't the shear volume of high ranking people all saying the same thing make you think there is something behind this more then just a hoax? If its a hoax why are so many people high up right up to President level going this is not a joke its serious and real? Just how many people have to come forward before you stop to think this isn't a joke and perhaps we should be looking at this seriously instead of dismissing everything. We are well past the point where we should be making fun and joking about this. Its not a joke something real is going off.
 
Screeeech said:
He also said a third thing which you missed from the same discussion:
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I didn't miss that as it makes sense given that everyone seems to be pointing at an illegal SAP that is not reporting to Congress. A SAP running without oversight so would not be reported up from Congress to the President. That's the entire point of the claims there is an illegal run SAP that is off the books in that its being hidden from Congress and the President.

I see you have skipped over all the points in my last two posts. I guess that's because you know your hoax idea is extremely unlikely and full off massive holes and problems that you cannot explain away to make it a viable idea. Just like you have yet again been proven wrong on Leslei Kean. Your entire hoax narrative is built on base of shaky and incorrect information. The more we look into what you built the hoax idea on, the more we see the hoax idea idea fall apart.
 
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