Pentagon releases UFO footage

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/police-sceptical-as-seven-reported-dead-in-ufo-attacks-1.432849
Indian villagers claim they are being attacked by flying spheres which emit red and blue lights. At least seven people have died in the last week of unexplained injuries in the state of Uttar Pradesh.
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probably americans testing those microwave crowd control weapons back in 2002

"I can't sleep because of pain," said Kalawati, 53, who says she was attacked last week. "It was like a big soccer ball with sparkling lights."
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Speculating even further, I find the timing of the disclosed US Navy footage recently very bizarre - especially taking into consideration the recent escalating tensions between the US, Russia and China. Why? Well, because sightings were very high during the cold war as well, and I can't help but speculate that this could be some sort of military flexing and to further the need for more military funding and research such as into the space force program. I think you all have been duped quite frankly.
 
ethan said:
I think they want to be seen. They've been here for a while and have even reportedly activated and deactivated the lunch codes on ICBM's at Melstrom Air base to show they can. The fact that we are still here as a consequence shows whatever or whoever they are mean us no real physical harm unless threatened.
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The canteen is no place to be messing with folk from there. Surprised they took it in good faith..
 
Found the report that reads like Mars attacks :D

With no reasonable explanation offered as to what exactly was behind the so-called attacks from UFOs, the Brazilian Air Force (FAB) was tasked with finding out what was going on on the island, with the investigation officially named Operation Saucer.

A 2,000-page military report was soon compiled, featuring 500 photographs and 16 hours of film that the FAB reportedly witnessed with their own eyes.

Ufologist Daniel Rebisso Giese claimed in his book Vampiros Extraterrestres Na Amazonia (Extraterrestrial Vampires of the Amazon) that several military personnel suffered nervous breakdowns, while others went completely insane during the course of the investigation.

The documents were kept classified until several pages were released in 2004, showing drawings and photographs of what the military saw.
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https://uk.news.yahoo.com/operation...zdd0rxeltrx35spwst2t9lttexjwh6s6ofur650dhhgw8
 
Th0nt said:
Isnt this was we have been debating a few pages about? I still waiting on why they can jam basic radar probe yet forgot to flip the switch for infra-red and the other 'simple' tech we use if they are superior and technical beyond our capacity. That doesn't add up, its nonsensical. If they don't want us to see them - and lets not forget they have had decades of sightings to perfect their own behaviour and refine their technology - they are being a bit sloppy wouldn't you say?
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God aliens works in mysterious ways.

Same thing, different supernatural entities. Some things move across with no change at all - "I want to believe" is the foundation of both versions of the faith.
 
ethan said:
I would hope it would change us for the good.
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I'd hope for the same thing, but I think it would be a long shot. One group of people meeting and interacting with another group people with a vast, gaping chasm between the levels of knowledge and technology of the two groups is a chancy business for the less advanced civilisation. At best. Maybe it's not possible to have to go well, even if the more advanced civilisation has good intentions. It would, of course, be even worse if these hypothetical alien people are also more intelligent than humans.
 
Angilion said:
I'd hope for the same thing, but I think it would be a long shot. One group of people meeting and interacting with another group people with a vast, gaping chasm between the levels of knowledge and technology of the two groups is a chancy business for the less advanced civilisation. At best. Maybe it's not possible to have to go well, even if the more advanced civilisation has good intentions. It would, of course, be even worse if these hypothetical alien people are also more intelligent than humans.
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I fail to see how they couldn't be more intelligent than us if they've come here. Though I understand that technological advancement is not the same as socialisation, but I think the same must go together to some degree. I think if the internet has taught us anything it's how to work together better, though I would say it will take a couple of generations till we start to behave better towards each other.

The main problem is that humans have an innate lust for power. In fact, the problem is hierarchies and dominance. This is not something which is restricted to our species, it happens all across nature. So for another alien species to have a flat structure and to develop beyond hierarchies would be, well, on the one hand it sounds advanced but on the other it sounds Marxist.

That's all we need, to be invaded by Commie aliens.
 
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Lysander said:
So for another alien species to have a flat structure and to develop beyond hierarchies would be, well, on the one hand it sounds advanced but on the other it sounds Marxist.
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Not necessarily!

I mentioned something along this topic previously and I still stand by it. That to become that advanced (at the very least a Type-2 civilisation) that civilisation has to have undergone a certain baseline of evolution in how they behave and work together. That doesn't mean commie antics of course. Think a futuristic utopia where intelligence has evolved to such a degree that they have no need for any sort of conflict at all because they have access to unlimited energy which let's face it, if you can create a gravity field then you have harnessed dark energy/matter and your people no longer need to "work" to earn money etc like we humans do now in order to survive.

The question of survival for them solely relies on exploring the universe and leaving remnants of themselves so that should an extinction level even happen back home or at another location, the species can continue exploring.

Whether that civilisation is biological or machine based is another discussion though.
 
mrk said:
Not necessarily!

I mentioned something along this topic previously and I still stand by it. That to become that advanced (at the very least a Type-2 civilisation) that civilisation has to have undergone a certain baseline of evolution in how they behave and work together. That doesn't mean commie antics of course. Think a futuristic utopia where intelligence has evolved to such a degree that they have no need for any sort of conflict at all because they have access to unlimited energy which let's face it, if you can create a gravity field then you have harnessed dark energy/matter and your people no longer need to "work" to earn money etc like we humans do now in order to survive.
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Well, let's look at the main reasons why animals fight:

Territory - solution - everyone can travel anywhere / potential problem, someone wants the same plot you have and is unable to acquire their own
Mating competitions - solution - be able to create and program members of the opposite sex / potential problem, someone wants the same woman you have and is unable to make their own
Predator/Prey - solution - be able to create and program food / potential problem, someone wants the same food you have and is unable to acquire their own

I think poverty is going to have to abolished but doesn't that then come back to Communism? If everyone has access to matter creation does that solve the problem?

I think it would be amusing if we had access to the in-flight talk of these alien pilots that might currently be visiting Earth.

*bored alien whizzing around near the ocean*
"Meh, I've been to this part before."
"Are you sure? It all looks the same."
"Oh look, some are coming this way in their mechanical pigeons."
"They're getting a bit close. This lot are so aggressive."
*lazily presses button with tendril and speeds away*
"I wonder what they make of us."
"They probably think we're from a rival tribe."
 
That's applying human/wildlife thinking to the equation though. What I mention is that to be that advanced you automatically have to have transcended beyond all of these things that we know today as problems. Which is why we on Earth right now just could not survive if someone from a distant place landed and handed each nation tech to harness these powers.

The entire species, every single person would have to have evolved beyond thinking like we do, that there are rich and poor, powerful and pawns etc. That's the only way species that have minimum Type 2 capabilities would be like. They would effectively have world peace on their home planet. A concept we right now consider fantasy because we don't know the meaning of the word currently :p
 
Lysander said:
That is true. I failed to adopt my earlier argument.

I wonder if spirituality could play a role in such advanced development.
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Spiritual maybe, look up people like Sadhguru who are spiritual yogis. But many major (if not all) religion like we know here would absolutely have to be non-existent. As blunt as that sounds all major religions throughout human history have isolated and controlled people through violence and worse, some of which still do today.

Besides that though, how do you factor in known major religions in the context of another planet in another part of the galaxy/universe/multiverse? Time is only relative to the local system, all planets have different day/night cycles or star-orbits. How do people on a distant planet worship Jesus if they have no knowledge of him ever existing or dying on the cross that once stood on a little blue rock called Earth? Or how do they know which direction to pray 5 times a day pointing exactly toward Mecca which is in a place on this little blue rock tucked away somewhere in the Milky Way? And that all of those 5 times involve specific Earth times? Time is not real-time from one point of the universe to another. If a distant planet sits near a stellar object of huge mass then time will flow different relative to an observe too so all human concepts are thrown out the window the instant these things are considered.

These are things nobody in the news or wider media talks about because it throws spanner into the works and causes people to get offended when all we are doing is asking rather important questions that nobody can realistically answer only make some form of educated guesses on. Kind of ironic when you think about it :D

Budging into philosophy now :p
 
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mrk said:
Spiritual maybe, look up people like Sadhguru who are spiritual yogis. But many major (if not all) religion like we know here would absolutely have to be non-existent. As blunt as that sounds all major religions throughout human history have isolated and controlled people through violence and worse, some of which still do today.
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Yes, even if the world went Taoist there would probably be some individuals promoting neo-Taoism which would be more oppressive and benefit one side and not another. Just as the Romans did with Christianity when they invaded us; they essentially promoted their religion as a neo-Paganism of the time.

mrk said:
Besides that though, how do you factor in known major religions in the context of another planet in another part of the galaxy/universe/multiverse? Time is only relative to the local system, all planets have different day/night cycles or star-orbits. How do people on a distant planet worship Jesus if they have no knowledge of him ever existing or dying on the cross that once stood on a little blue rock called Earth? Or how do they know which direction to pray 5 times a day pointing exactly toward Mecca which is in a place on this little blue rock tucked away somewhere in the Milky Way? And that all of those 5 times involve specific Earth times? Time is not real-time from one point of the universe to another. If a distant planet sits near a stellar object of huge mass then time will flow different relative to an observe too so all human concepts are thrown out the window the instant these things are considered.
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Well, it would be relative to that world but I really can't start musing on what an alien religion might be like! One would hope that it would be non-abusive and non-oppressive. It would have to be, in fact, if this is an advanced civilisation.

If we can presume that alien life started the same way as ours did, fighting for survival, then the only way to advance would have been a conscious, coordinated, mass-effort to break away from psychological and biological programming. How on Earth [haha] one does that here, I have no idea. Though I would argue that as long as Capitalism is around, it isn't going to happen.
 
Lysander said:
I fail to see how they couldn't be more intelligent than us if they've come here. Though I understand that technological advancement is not the same as socialisation, but I think the same must go together to some degree. I think if the internet has taught us anything it's how to work together better, though I would say it will take a couple of generations till we start to behave better towards each other.
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I'm guessing that you're using a different definition of "intelligent" to me, so I'll ask more about the definition you're using. Humans today have far better communication systems than humans of even 50 years ago. Does that mean humans today are more intelligent than humans 50 years ago? How about those of us who were alive 50 years ago? Has our intelligence greatly increased over our lives? What about 20,000 years ago, when far fewer humans lived in far smaller societies?

Some of the fastest rates of increase in human technology have come either during war or during conflicts in which different sides seek a technological advantage in war. How do you fit that into your combined intelligence-socialisation-technology level?

If socialisation is the same as intelligence, how do you explain the existence of some people with low socialising ability but average or higher intelligence?

The main problem is that humans have an innate lust for power. In fact, the problem is hierarchies and dominance. This is not something which is restricted to our species, it happens all across nature. So for another alien species to have a flat structure and to develop beyond hierarchies would be, well, on the one hand it sounds advanced but on the other it sounds Marxist.

That's all we need, to be invaded by Commie aliens.
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Only if they've somehow made communism work. If they have, I'd certainly pencil them in as being more intelligent than humans.

I think that the idea that we could be rescued by superhuman beings with superhuman abilities, superhuman wisdom and superhuman enlightenment who would solve all of humanity's problems is nice, but it sounds like a religion to me. Much nicer than other religions, but still the external superhuman saviour thing.
 
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