Pentagon releases UFO footage

UFO`s are only slightly more believable than GOD, a crummy picture vs a crummy book, same divisions and the same lies used to sell the division within divisions.

All the evidence points to pure luck that life started on earth. So until we uncover some marvel that it didn't, anyone who thinks otherwise is a idiot. I will change my opinion of this when proven evidence of the magical space pixie turning up is found.
 
Angilion said:
I thought not. So who did you mean when you said "the internet" is denying whatever you think is being denied? And what do you think is being denied? Nobody I've seen is denying that some reports of some things have not been definitively identified.

The craft which have not been seen. What has been seen is lights. Sometimes lights in the sky. Sometimes lights on a screen. You are assuming that the source of the lights are alien spacecraft but you can't even provide evidence that they are craft of any kind.
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There is so much wrong - and false - about this post that in order to address it correctly I would have to break it down and take the points in turn. However, doing so would, most likely, only lead to further misunderstandings. Your points have already been answered many times in this thread. Additionally, your posting style with those you don't concur with can be accusatory, misleading, insulting and, as above, plain wrong. It's toxic, and not worth the negative mental health effect.
 
Lysander said:
There is so much wrong - and false - about this post that in order to address it correctly I would have to break it down and take the points in turn. However, doing so would, most likely, only lead to further misunderstandings. Your posting style with those you don't concur with can be accusatory, misleading, insulting and, as above, plain wrong. It's toxic, and not worth the negative mental health effect.
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I disagree. He stuck to the facts.
 
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/15/politics/ufo-report-briefing-pentagon-fighting/index.html

Washington (CNN)Members of the House Intelligence Committee will receive a classified briefing on Wednesday morning on one of the most controversial topics circulating in Washington today: UFOs.

The briefing, which was confirmed to CNN by two sources familiar with the committee's plans, comes just weeks before the US intelligence community is scheduled to deliver an unclassified report on the matter for Congress. According to one committee source, Wednesday's briefing will be conducted by the Navy and FBI.
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To be doubly clear this is not the report due on the 25th this is a separate briefing. This seems like either a warm up for the report coming or simply that congress members have asked for more information due to the topic becoming so mainstream.

Interesting that the FBI is involved, I wonder if this points to some of the sightings being drones illegally flown by public or private that went into military airspace?
 
Lysander said:
No, he did not. He passive-aggressively projected his own version of the discussion in this thread which is not based in reality. I will not discuss it further for my own sanity.
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That's OK. I didn't expect an answer. What answer could there be? Going from "some lights that aren't definitively explained" to "alien spacecraft" is an unsupported and unsupportable leap.
 
MookJong said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/15/politics/ufo-report-briefing-pentagon-fighting/index.html



To be doubly clear this is not the report due on the 25th this is a separate briefing. This seems like either a warm up for the report coming or simply that congress members have asked for more information due to the topic becoming so mainstream.

Interesting that the FBI is involved, I wonder if this points to some of the sightings being drones illegally flown by public or private that went into military airspace?
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Sounds possible to me, but I don't know enough about the jurisdiction of different agencies in the USA. Another possibility that comes to my mind is something reported in two different states. Would that automatically make it a federal issue and thus bring the FBI in? An unexplained light in the sky might, for example, be a drug dealer flying drugs in from somewhere. Across state lines, maybe across international borders. Another possibility that comes to my mind is "pass the buck", e.g. a local police chief gets reports of lights in the sky, doesn't want to have their police spending time investigating that rather than crimes and/or doesn't want to run the risk of stepping on the toes of the military, but also doesn't want to openly dismiss it (which might cost them votes). So they call it in to the FBI, which makes it someone else's problem and can be spun as taking it very seriously for anyone whose vote might be swayed by that.

Is anyone expecting the report on the 25th to say anything other than a lot of ambiguously phrased nothing?
 
SPG said:
UFO`s are only slightly more believable than GOD, a crummy picture vs a crummy book, same divisions and the same lies used to sell the division within divisions.
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UFOs (or more accurately, UAPs) are absolutely proven to exist. There have been sightings of lights in the sky which the person seeing them couldn't identify. There have been lights on screens connected to sensors looking at the sky that claim to show something in the sky and which the people using the equipment can't identify. That's all a UFO is - something apparently in the sky that hasn't yet been identified. It could be all sorts of things, but as long as it's not identified and it appears to be in the sky, it's a UAP/UFO.

Regarding the alien spaceships that I think you're referring to, I agree with the last part, but not the first. We know that intelligent life exists. We have proof of that - us. We have no evidence, let alone proof, that any gods exist. For that reason, I think it's a bit more than slightly more believable.

All the evidence points to pure luck that life started on earth.
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True, but the evidence is extremely limited and almost entirely limited to Earth. I think that's not a large enough and representative enough sample to make definite conclusions about life in the rest of the universe.

So until we uncover some marvel that it didn't, anyone who thinks otherwise is a idiot.
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I think that's excessive. I don't think that people who believe in things are necessarily idiots. None of the theists I know are idiots. Gullible? maybe. Brainwashed? maybe. Irrational? usually but by no means always. But not idiots.

There's also a range of intermediate opinions.

Here's mine, for example:

Is there life other than on Earth? I don't know, but I'll pencil it in as probably being quite likely based solely on the scale of the universe.
Is there intelligent life with technology advanced enough for interstellar travel alive right now somewhere else in the universe? I don't know. I don't know enough to even pencil in a vague assessment of the probability of it.
If so, are they aware of our existence? I don't know. I'll pencil it in as probably being very unlikely, again based solely on the scale of the universe.
If so, have they watched us in any way? I don't know. I'll pencil it in as probably being very unlikely, since I think it's probably very unlikely that if they exist they'll be aware of our existence.
If so, have they come here in spaceships for some reason (why not just watch us remotely, using the hyper-advanced technology they would have to have in order to get here?) and for some reason been detected despite their unimaginably advanced technology and their decision to not let us know of their existence? I wouldn't say it's definitely impossible, but I think it's extremely unlikely.
If so, are a few unidentified lights proof (or even any substantial evidence) of them? No.

Do you think I'm an idiot?

I will change my opinion of this when proven evidence of the magical space pixie turning up is found.
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I will adjust my assessment of likelihood if any significant evidence turns up. Whether it's aliens, gods or the pixies that live in washing machines and eat socks.
 
Yes I do.

Light is just light, moisture, clouds, generally high relative speed to each other giving the appearance of super fast movement.

Zero proof of it being anything else but light.

Way to much X files.
 
SPG said:
Light is just light, moisture, clouds, generally high relative speed to each other giving the appearance of super fast movement.
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Can you show us some recorded examples of this where lights are shown to be simply explained but display characterises like those described by countless credible people in militaries and govs around the world and many (albeit blurry) jet fighter camera videos and radar plots?

You have zero proof it's "just light" too so your views are open to the exact same scrutiny as what you are handing out!

We have come full circle again on this topics in this thread :p

We know complex intelligent life exists, we are proof. But we also only know carbon based life as we know it under the conditions on Earth although more recently have detected potential signs of life in the atmospheres of other planets in our own solar system hence NASA's new missions toward that objective to discover what could be there. . If the universe is infinitely big, then yes the possibility of intelligent life forming elsewhere, dying and forming again is infinitely possible. This isn't idiocy, this is what theoretical science is.
 
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Yet their is less proof for a visiting alien from the planet zarg in a light fantastic dimensional twisting, light year bashing megaship the size of a mini.

Of course it could be a matter of scale as per hitchhikers and it really is a mega ship but of ultra tiny people.

(insert X files theme tune)
 
mrk said:
If the universe is infinitely big, then yes the possibility of intelligent life forming elsewhere, dying and forming again is infinitely possible. This isn't idiocy, this is what theoretical science is.
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I don't think there's anywhere near enough data to compute the possibilities of life existing elsewhere other than earth, there are so many variables and so many unknowns. Essentially you end up with a vague theory which can't be tested, because it doesn't have enough data supporting it one way or another.

If we knew exactly how life started on earth (abiogenesis), the conditions, processes and chemistry that cause things like proteins to fold into the correct shapes, and so on - which ultimately result in a cell, or something like a cell, then you'd have a valid set of data. From there, you could far more accurately and usefully compute the likelihood that life has started elsewhere, if you could find equivalent conditions.

But right now - there just isn't enough data. For what it's worth - I think the universe is probably jam packed with life, but I don't see how anybody can make any predictions on it with any level of certainty, until more data comes in.
 
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